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03-10-2015 , 01:53 AM
Really nice game by Payne tonight on the offensive end. Defensively he wasn't great but he had his moments imo.

Rubio is getting run into the ground. Luckily he had all that time off in Nov and Dec. It's not like we have a promising 6'5 PG prospect that we are willing to give minutes to on a non contending team or anything...

Budinger still sucks, Wolves had no answer for DAJ lobs all night, JJ Redick was Redickulous, and Chris Paul is still a whiney spastic.
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03-10-2015 , 02:55 AM
Ugly, ugly game, but I still had fun. Payne can play a little bit. Hating that trade less.
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03-12-2015 , 02:20 PM







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03-12-2015 , 02:34 PM
nice^
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03-12-2015 , 03:28 PM
Gotta spoiler that **** man, that's way too much.
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03-12-2015 , 03:42 PM
That last one was ****ing awesome.
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03-13-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
I don't feel bad for people like that.

Damn Lakers couldn't beat the Knicks last night.

We're only one game away, but I feel like the chances of us catching the Knicks is small. I'd rather have a little cushion between us and the Lakers.
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03-13-2015 , 07:42 PM
I don't care about draft slot because I don't want Okafor and think there like 4 or 5 good players/fits in this draft
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03-16-2015 , 11:22 AM
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03-16-2015 , 11:26 AM
haralabob has been going pretty hard at FS for the last week or so, and from an Xs and Os standpoint he's not wrong.
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03-16-2015 , 11:56 AM
I retweeted one of those last night. Flip is an idiot, no way around it.

****ing Lakers last night. Hawks rested Teague/Milsap and Korver only played 10 minutes because of a broken nose and they still won.
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03-16-2015 , 04:06 PM
Flip clearly not an idiot. C'mon
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03-16-2015 , 11:02 PM
Alright, everything going to plan. Huge antigames coming up in the next week+ against the knacks and lakers. Luckily Justin Hamilton is clearly our best player right now. Knicks are gonna see a ton of Lavine, Payne, and Budinger. Anyone know the timetable on Bennett? If ever there was a time we needed him...
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03-16-2015 , 11:28 PM
justin hamilton hasn't looked like complete aids from what I've seen, color me surprised. We really need AB and Budinger to bring their best worst games from here on out.
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03-17-2015 , 02:54 AM
Lol at thinking there is a point at tanking to end up with a worse record than the Knicks or Lakers. You think the NBA will allow them not to have the top2 picks if they are anywhere in the lottery??
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03-17-2015 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by spring83
Lol at thinking there is a point at tanking to end up with a worse record than the Knicks or Lakers. You think the NBA will allow them not to have the top2 picks if they are anywhere in the lottery??
The point is you guarantee you can't fall further than 4th
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03-17-2015 , 11:37 AM
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The only other aspect of this game I wanted to touch on was how quickly LaVine went from being completely on fire from the floor in his first 14 minutes (5-7 with 14 points, 4-5 from downtown) to completely falling off the proverbial cliff. He started the game really well offensively, again running the point, but he essentially self-destructed in the final four minutes of the first half. It took him almost no time whatsoever to turn a solid half of play – he was impressive enough offensively to counteract his below average defensive on Deron Williams and Jarrett Jack – into a pretty awful one.
Here, let me walk you through it real quick:

With 4:26 remaining in the second quarter, LaVine entered the game for Brown. Brooklyn was up 51-50.

4:09 – LaVine bad pass (Thaddeus Young steals it as he tries this awkward, forced drop-off pass to Justin Hamilton in transition).

3:18 – LaVine bad pass (Bojan Bogdanovic steals).

3:14 – Bogdanovic hits an 18-footer and Saunders calls a 20 second timeout, seemingly irritated with his rookie shooting guard point guard. He puts Brown back in the game.

2:14 – Hollins calls a timeout, up 58-53. Saunders goes back to LaVine. Yeah, that sure was quick!

1:51 – The score is now 61-55. Wolves ball... LaVine double dribble turnover. Nets score. Next possession? Wiggins turns the ball over. Thad responds with an easy layup. And... what's next? How about another LaVine turnover? YES, BINGO. ANOTHER ONE. Joe Johnson collected another steal off a bad pass from the rookie. Bogdanovic makes a driving layup to put the Nets up 67-55 with :35 seconds on the clock. And that's the score at halftime.

I counted four turnovers for LaVine in this sequence. Remember his first 14 minutes on the court? Forget about savoring that for more than a brief stretch. My goal in recounting all of this is not to make LaVine the whipping boy of the recap. I've said it here before plenty of times, I believe in him off ball as a shooting guard prospect. The things he did well in those 14 minutes tonight can be duplicated. The mistakes he made (offensively) could have been minimized. I don't expect Saunders to roll with Brown at point guard ahead of his prized rookie, but this is yet another example of what we've seen throughout the year. LaVine does some excellent things when he isn't forced to dominate the ball. Despite this, the way Saunders uses him has barely changed.
http://www.canishoopus.com/2015/3/17...e-paint-in-win

I read somewhere a week or two ago that when he plays as a PG, Lavine is statistically the worst player in the NBA this season. He's way less bad at SG, but Flip rarely plays him there.

edit: I just came across this. He's the worst player in the NBA in both RPM and WAR and its not even close.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/1

Bonus! Anthony Bennett is the worst PF in the NBA by these measures! 96th out of 96, just ahead of former Wolf bust DWil. A Payne is 84th on that list.

Last edited by cha59; 03-17-2015 at 11:50 AM.
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03-17-2015 , 05:25 PM
Yeah, I think it was JTM that posted a Flip quote about just trying to get all of these guys' experience.

Lavine's ball handling really is an issue when he plays point at this part of his career and it's probably the thing he needs to work on most in the offseason, imo.

If we are built next year to make a playoff run I'd like to see less Lavine PG run since as you said he's better suited to be an off ball guard, but ideally he becomes good enough to where we can have a 3 guard rotation for a season and limit the minutes Flip wants to overload rubio with.
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03-17-2015 , 08:35 PM
Agree with speel. Lavine doesn't ever have to be a real PG but it would be nice if he could improve enough to play some quality minutes there. I have no idea if playing him so much at PG helps or hurts his development but hopefully it does help to some degree
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03-17-2015 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by willie24
I have no idea if playing him so much at PG helps or hurts his development but hopefully it does help to some degree
Yeah, i'm not sure either. For sure it leads to lots and lots of losing games tho. That's beyond question.
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03-17-2015 , 10:18 PM
Knicks up 4, with 3 seconds left!
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03-17-2015 , 10:49 PM
Zachary Bennett ‏@ZacharyBD
Alexey Shved has never been more valuable to the Wolves than he is right now, as point guard of the Knicks.
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03-17-2015 , 11:01 PM
A couple of Wolves/Flip related articles I've read this last week:



from: http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/2015...hat/#more-3204

and
http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/02/09...ys-efficiency/
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03-17-2015 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by willie24
Agree with speel. Lavine doesn't ever have to be a real PG but it would be nice if he could improve enough to play some quality minutes there. I have no idea if playing him so much at PG helps or hurts his development but hopefully it does help to some degree
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Yeah, i'm not sure either. For sure it leads to lots and lots of losing games tho. That's beyond question.
The latter part is the most important for us right now, so keep going Flip! In theory I am a fan of having young guys slowly expand their roles. Get them a situation where they can succeed and then slowly let them go out into unknown territory and build off of that. Wiggins comes to mind with this, imo.

With Lavine, I don't know if they're taking Lavine into mind in his development to be honest. This may be a bad way to look at it because of all the injuries we've had at PG this year and the added minutes then forced on Lavine by proxy, but Lavine should be playing a little bit more off the ball this year in general, if only to build on his confidence. He's been forced to play a lot of point which he's not very good at(and also surrounded often times by below average teammates). In an ideal world it would be nice to see Lavine get 5-10 minutes a game as backup PG and then another 10+ minutes a game as backup 2 guard to Martin.

Most of this is incoherent rambling based off of my personal observations, so take it for what it's worth.
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