so is it Thad's option to opt out after the season or the team's?
If we don't trade him, what do you think happens to him?

It's a player option, he's indicated in the past that he's going to exercise it. I certainly don't want to spend the money required to resign him, he's a bad pairing with PEK and a bad pairing with Gorgui.

I think he opts out. Probably gone.

I know 'KMart is awful at D' is certainly a thing but, while he's certainly not good, he's clearly better than our atrocious other wings Bazz, Chase, Daniels, Lavine, maybe even Hummel.

Right now Wiggins is better as a 2 but future Wiggins more likely able to hold his own as a 3.

If we get the Thad that has been playing the past week, I hope he opts in.

Why would the fact that are there other bad defenders on this team affect Martin's value? Chase and Daniels have absolutely no future with this team and BAZZ and LaVine have played ~1000 minutes in their careers. Of course they're bad at D.

Yeah Thad is clearly better when he's on a team playing something resembling NBA basketball. That's been rare for the poor guy. He was great pre-Rubio injury too.

But his inability to rebound has driven me to hate him. I'm cool with one more year if he opts in but he's not the PF of the future imo.

It means his "awfulness" is greatly overstated.



If you could get something useful for KMart it's okay to trade him. But don't just give him away. He's good and you'd have to pay a lot more to sign a similarly talented replacement. He makes less than Jodie Meeks ffs.

Wolves have one game (Denver) in their next 13 vs a sub .500 team.

Wait, you're saying that Martin is not an awful defender? How can you possibly think that? That blows my mind.

Martin's skillset doesn't really decline in age though. He's a shooter that's tall, he'll have value for a few more years.

His ability to stay on the floor does. See above.

Fill in the blank: Kevin Martin is a top ____ NBA player.

Yep, this. He's a pretty bad defensively in general(poor rebounding/lacking in size to alter shots etc.)

I don't want to keep Thad at this point for the price he will command because he's just not a very good fit with our main pieces.

It's not that Martin is an uber valuable piece and virtually untradable at this point, it's that he's only making 7 mill per and is a good offensive player that provides spacing(much needed on a rubio/pek team) and has played really well with Rubio on the court.

There are other roster moves that could/should be made first before him imo, because he's valuable to this specific team(esp for that contract).

His injuries, although numerous in the last few years don't look to be chronic. It's not like he's had numerous acl injuries or anything.

What moves do you think should be made before moving Martin?

If we're purely tanking for Lotto balls I agree that Martin needs to be shipped out. He isn't a good defender but he fits really well offensively with our other long term pieces. he probably garners the most trade interest and potential returns, so we'll probably be hearing about rumors w him quite a bit.

I'd personally like to see Thad traded as well as Mo Williams before Kevin Martin. I don't know how feasible that is on Thad's front since he is going to test free agency, but I'd read at one point toronto was interested in thad. He's not a bad player at all imo.

maybe we can get a 2nd from someone for Mo. I thought lorenzo brown came in and played pretty well out of the gate once he was signed, and with rubio and lavine there he's pretty replaceable. He should garner some interest with a lot of teams I'd think with his shooting off the benhc.

As far as long term moves go, I'd want to see what we could get for Gorgui. Depending on what route we go(tank mode or development mode w starters), it's possible that we could fetch a pretty quality return for him. I like him as a player and I like his defensive upside, but youngish athletic 7 footers could yield a pretty nice ransom, esp for a guy whose offensive upside is pretty limited and he's not a lock to get there on the other end either. That type of move would basically be dependent on Gorgui's development in being paired next to pek as well as our chances of getting a guy like Towns/Okafor.

Thad was on my list too. Sure, ship Mo out, but I mean, he's an expiring contract for less than 4 million. What we do with Mo doesn't really have any impact on the future.

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I honestly was pretty pumped about our start of the year when healthy, albeit over a very very small sample size. We played a lot of close competitive games before our entire starting lineup went down with injury. I'm not going to say I thought we were going to playoff(i didn't), but our win projections were in the 30 range...after the first few games and this recent streak i'd say the 40 mark would have been feasible if we were lucky with some injuries. 40 wins in the west with the youth on our team would have been pretty impressive imo.

It's a tough spot flip is in now because if we want to tank we really need to ship out 2+ players and hold bazz out for as long as possible to keep losing with the other teams; Philly and LA aren't going anywhere. However, we are still 7 games behind Utah with 31 left to play...it's probable we finish in the bottom 6-8 teams in the league with a very high draft pick.

I'm definitely no expert on college prospects, but to me it looks like it's very top heavy with mudiay/okafor/towns as the top 3 and then a slew of other guys with upside but question marks. If that's the case and we have almost no shot at the bottom 2-3, I'm ok with keeping this roster as is and rolling with an improving Rubio/Wiggins/Bazz/Lavine core as well as a probable top 10 pick after this draft.

edit: so personally, I'm ok with shipping martin out for more Ls this year and a potentially higher pick, but I also don't think he's a must move due to his contract and skillset. I think we're closer to a playoff team than we are to the worst team in the league, so keeping him is more than fine.

Yeah, I like that post and I agree with the first (full) paragraph. I can see why you guys are cool keeping Martin, I just think he's too old and one-dimensional to be apart of something good given how stacked the West is. But you guys are right, he's not making very much (especially given what is supposed to happen to the cap soon).

He definitely is one dimensional and I completely agree that if we're shipping anyone he probably yields the highest return and interest from other teams. Also, with Bazz/Wiggins/Lavine on the roster, if Flip likes their progression it does make Martin replaceable(for even cheaper!). This year though and probably next year this Wolves team needs his ability to shoot and create his own shot if they want to win games imo.

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I think that's rating him a little high and I'm on the keep Martin unless you get a great offer boat

Kid from OSU is #3 on ESPN's big board. I thought they did an article discussing if he could contend with Okafor for #1 overall.

Outside of Wiggins and Rubio who is definitely part of this teams future?

I don't wanna live in a world without BAZZ

In a perfect world, where guys show improvement,p/stay healthy

Starters:
Rubio
Wiggins
Bazz
Okafor/Towns
Pek

Bench:
Lavine
Dieng
Hummel
???

Realistically, Wiggins and Rubio would be the only guarantees right now