If we end up with 14, it goes to Phoenix because we had to give that up for them to take Wes Johnson (who we drafted ahead of D Cousins, P George, G Monroe, & G Hayward, among others...)

http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NBA_draft

After last night I've decided it's over. No playoff.

Also, the chances of no Love have significantly increased given no playoffs or big playoff push but you never know, he may stay yet.

jfc at having to give up a 1st round pick just to get rid of Wes

+1

It might be time to dump Love, Pek, and Rubio for high draft picks and start over with this team again. We can probably get a lot for these 3.

No. Hell no.

We've proven that getting rid of good players and trying to rebuild by trading them does not work. See KG & Big Al trades as examples. You do not want to be the team in the trade giving up the best player, and that would happen if we trade Love or PEK.

If we can improve the team by making trades, then yes. But we will not get value by trading Love or PEK. We might get something for Rubio, but his value is probably too low for trading him to be any good right now.

There's no way we're going to get equal value back imo.

If we get to the point that its clear that Love is going to leave, then we'll have to do it. We're not there yet.

Really ****ing hard to watch this team right now. I want to pull my damn hair out. In before 0-12 in close games.......

Holy god, I think they read my post and internalized it....thought this was not a heavily traffic thread.

I only watched part of the game but the Wolves look shell shocked and going through the motions.

Totally this. It is so hard to watch this team. I just don't get why they continued to chuck up the 3 when they were ice cold tonight @ Toronto. Throw it into Pek or Love and work it down low... It can't be that difficult. If you are hitting the 3 then I'm fine with it, but we don't have a sharpshooter to make up for all of the misses.

Also... DON'T LET RUBIO SHOOT AGAIN! I'm fine with lay-ups and what not, but he is absolutely pathetic. The most worthless draft pick in Wolves history!!! I have never believed in the whole, "He's such a pretty passer..." In order to compete in the NBA as a top tier PG, you need to avg. somewhere around 15 pts and 10 ast., but he is no where near that. In most of these tight losses, if they had a decent PG that would at least put up double-digit pts. we would be in good shape, but with Rubio that has never happened

With the Wild becoming so inconsistent in a very tough conference, I try to cheer for the Wolves because they have a lot of good pieces, but they are missing a PG with talent which is one of the most important positions in the game.

--agree that team is so hard to watch right now
--kudos to Adelman for shaking up the rotation last night. It almost worked.
--I'm fine with Rubio shooting layups and 3's off a catch with his feet set. However, he should be banned from taking the on-the-move, off-the-dribble mid range jumper.
--We can't trade Love until the mid season before he can opt out if we know he's leaving. He's our only transcendent player.
--We probably wouldn't get enough for Rubio to improve us dramatically.
--That only leaves Pek. I love Pek on O. Our biggest problem is our D (ldo) and Pek and Love together can't protect the rim. I don't want us to trade Pek but he's the guy to go of the three. Need a rim protecting C with decent O and stud wing in return. We won't do it, so it's a moot point really.

You had me until the PEK point. PEK is not part of the problem. We are better with him on the court than with him off the court. He's one of the best Cs in the league, and we would not likely get equal or better value by trading him.

Some people suggest trading him for Asik. Asik is a great defensive C, but he cant shoot FTs and is bad at scoring. If we do that, we open up a different can of worms we didnt have with PEK.

this has some stuff I generally agree with:

http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/1/17...third-in-a-row

lol @ Rubio being the most worthless pick in Wolves history. He wasn't even the most worthless pick in the 5 minute stretch when he was drafted.

To be clear, I don't want to trade Pek and don't think we will.

Irrelevant. I'm sure Utah has guys that they are better off with on the court. They still suck. With Pek on the court playing starter minutes, we are not good enough as indicated by our sub-.500 record. Our D sucks and that's why we are outside the top 8 right now.

Well, if Pek ain't part of the problem with our terrible D, then it's Adelman's defensive scheme. You can't make Flip and Kahn and ownership the scapegoat for everything. If we had a league average D we'd be comfortably in a 6 seed at worst.

Ok you kinda got me there. What I meant to say is for all of the hype that was created around him, he has not lived up to any of it.

As opposed to #2 overall DW2? I agree with you generally but at least Rubio has a role as an elite backup pg. Rubio>>>Barea.

I dont think we're going to agree on this.

Anyone see the game last night? I was out of town and missed it. I just saw the box score. At least we can still blow out terrible teams.

I'm in Utah for Sundance but leave before Tuesday's game. Boooooooo.

Drink a Polygamy Porter for me.

love Park City.

This season, every time I lose hope & interest in this team, I see something like this to make me think something good can still happen:

https://twitter.com/JimPeteHoops/sta...419328/photo/1

As bad as we've looked at times, we've been pretty damn good a lot of other times. The record makes things seem bleak, but if this team actually plays hard for a while, they can still put together some wins and get into the playoffs. The schedule is favorable the rest of the way.

Gonna be hilarious when we break that record but miss the playoffs

fyp

I don't think things are going to get any better than they are right now, personnel-wise, after this season for a very long time. As long as we have this owner, major decisions will be done in half-ass ways. We'll have to get very lucky (like having players like KG or Love falling into our laps again) for anything fun to happen, and even if that happens, the general incompetence of ownership/upper-management will always hold us back, as long as this bunch is around.

Kevin Loved Voted Western Conference Starter For 2014 NBA All-Star Game

yay!

Nice win vs GS on the road by 1 point! woohoo!

was at a bar watching, we actually didn't see the final 8 seconds did we?

Correct. Cut back with 1 second left. Infuriating but at least we won so I will let it slide.