Snap call that obv.

Seems like a decent trade for both teams tbh

^^ exactly... houston needs a solid starting pg who can shoot, i think lin is solid but hes turnover prone + not a gr8 spot up shooter like someone like ridnour is & also they need a starting p.f, d.williams have to be better than greg smith

But we're gonna get Pek back for like the vet's minimum it looks like so it's a moot point

^^^ hahahah.... would be silly if pek waited so long only to be short changed in the end, gr8 for the wolves though cause seem like we can retain ak47 for cheap as well cause i dont see teams jumping after him

lets see what dallas does, if they offer pek anything

We dont agree on his upside. He has blinders on when he has the ball. He is very bad at defending quick players. He has a low BBIQ that is obvious to me and a lot of people who know more than I do. He's not Thabeet bad (or Wes or Flynn or Rivers bad), but if the Wolves cant trade him, I think declining his option would be way better than paying him $6.7m next season. That's way too much given what we've seen in two full seasons, and he has had opportunities. Players who have been given as much playing time as DW has very rarely make dramatic improvements that would justify him making $6.7m or $8.7m. His contract is horrible given his past performance and outlook.


You are correct, but there is strong evidence that suggests Shabust will be in Rivers' ballpark as far as production goes.

yeah, if we somehow lost PEK, I would want Asik, and some combination of the above might work, but he has a goofy, complicated contract, so I'm not sure how that would work.

Right.

I havent read Canis yet today, but yesterday people were suggesting it might be possible for GS to make a substantial offer to PEK. I think they'd have to clear more cap space, but that team would be scary with PEK, Iggy, Curry and the other shooters they have.

what is the most someone can offer Pek?

Off the top of my head, other teams can offer 4 years starting at ~14 or 15m with more modest increases. The Wolves can offer 5 years with larger percent increases, but I think the starting point would be the same.

I'd like the Wolves to offer him 5 years for $45 mil and say, "you're better than Splitter. He got 4 years $36m, so we'll give you this." I think PEK will likely end up getting 4 years from us at a 10mil+/season.

and they surely aren't worth $6.7m or $8.7m.

There is absolutely not "strong evidence" that anyone will EVER have as bad a season Austin Rivers had last year.

Have you read the quotes and links related to Muhammed that I posted in this thread since we drafted him?

You are greatly underestimating how extreme of an outlier Rivers' season was last year. One can construct an argument that it was the worst season in decades. Even if Shabazz has the worst season of ALL rookies he's extremely unlikely to be near that.

I'll lay you 5:1 if you want that says he isn't worse than Rivers was in WS/48.

Maybe I am. No, I wouldnt bet something like that. I do however remember seeing Rivers' college numbers as very comparable, and they might even have been better than Muhammed's.

Which means basically nothing though.

conclusion: they both suck

next topic

Right. Its like "I'll trade you this rotten egg for that week old dead fish carcass".

Here's some potentially exciting news:

c'mon, ONE TIME!!!

edit - I took this to mean we'd do something to open up space to bring back AK, but it might mean we'd sign & trade him for something else. I probably wont like that as much.

I saw the same tweet. Doesn't that mean we would sign AK and then trade him?

There was also information this morning that the Wolves have made an offer to Nikola Pekovic...

Nope

Former Gopher great and former #1 overall Janel McCarville playing with the Lynx. She hasn't played in 3 years, I wonder what her story is. She looks way different than I remember too, gained a lot of weight IMO.

By my calculations they have -4M of cap space.
Way too early to give up on Shabazz. I mean, obviously none of us wanted to draft him but he deserves to at least put a uniform on before he's totally written off.

right - shabazz projects to suck based on his college game - but that only means so much. i don't think his physical tools are terrible or anything and adapting/improving is allowed. i'm not hopeful - i'd go so far as to say i'd rather have rodney williams. but we'll see. he's not a bust yet.

in fact, the expectations are so low i don't even know if it's possible for him to be a bust.

Expectations for the #14 pick in the 1st round should not be this low.

I watched Olynyk play a little in the summer league today. He is the guy Flip thought was going to be there at 14 when he made the trade. (cue Homer Simpson "doh"). The guy can really shoot. idk if he'll be a good player or not, but his odds look a lot better than Shabazz's. No, I'm not basing that on what I saw today - I'm basing it mostly on what I read about vjl's numbers. Seeing him play, albeit vs weak competition, kind of confirmed that.

ORL had Oladipo playing PG for some stupid reason. They're taking a page out of the Kurt Rambis "try to shove square pegs into round holes" playbook.