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Maybe if Kahn was still here. I'm sure he pissed a lot of people off all over the league, and POR had to be at the top of the list.

I heard POR wasnt far enough under the cap to offer PEK over ~$9 mil the other day. Did they end up shedding any salary?

Well Maynor left for the WIZ, don't think that had any effect, but for POR to offer a "massive" contract to PEK they're going to have to shed something. I hope it's Freeland. TRob has hindered them.

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07-03-2013 , 11:16 PM

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Yeah, Barnes is a bitch, but he would add some needed attitude to this team

yeah, he'd be a nice consolation prize if we have to lose AK.

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Well Maynor left for the WIZ, don't think that had any effect, but for POR to offer a "massive" contract to PEK they're going to have to shed something. I hope it's Freeland. TRob has hindered them.

I think we're going to match whatever POR offers, but I hope you guys dont shed that salary and put the hurt on us the way we did it to you last season with Batum.

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07-03-2013 , 11:33 PM

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ESPN Insider apparently says this:

Clarification requested: Are they saying we are a 100% lock to make the playoffs? How is that even possible using any reasonable prediction system?

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07-04-2013 , 12:13 AM

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Clarification requested: Are they saying we are a 100% lock to make the playoffs? How is that even possible using any reasonable prediction system?

Seems like a bad prediction, especially considering injury possibilities. The 55 wins prediction, at this point, seems like a bold prediction as well.

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07-04-2013 , 12:14 AM

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Because unless we can work a S&T for Martin,

we have to renounce AKs rights to create the cap space to sign Martin.
by Simitar on Jul 3, 2013 | 1:08 PM up reply rec flag
cha
if we end up renouncing AK's rights

does that mean we cant sign him later?
by cha on Jul 3, 2013 | 1:42 PM up reply flag
Only with an exception.

And the only one we’d have is the mid-room which would be a max of 2/5.4

Unless we figure out a way to create more cap room.
by Simitar on Jul 3, 2013 | 1:58 PM up reply rec flag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Why is it set up this way?

So AK is a free agent, free to sign with any team he wants. He is no longer a member of the team, and can do what he wishes. But his $10mil still counts towards us?

So if we just flat out re-sign him to a 3yr./$21mil. contract, he counts as $17mil. towards the cap in 13/14?

Is it just to stop insider dealings? It really doesn’t make sense to me.

"Above-the-rim prowess"
by Hakeem Olajuwon on Jul 3, 2013 | 4:36 PM up reply rec flag
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From Salary Cap FAQ...

39. When do free agents stop counting against team salary?

Free agents continue to be included in team salary until one of the following three things happens:

1. The player signs a new contract with the same team. When this happens, the team salary reflects the player’s new salary rather than his cap hold.

2. The player signs with a different team. As soon as this happens, the player becomes his new team’s problem, and his salary no longer counts against his old team.

3. The team renounces the player.

Why does option one not work?

"Above-the-rim prowess"
by Hakeem Olajuwon on Jul 3, 2013 | 4:41 PM up reply rec flag
It does work.

If he signed right now for 7M, he’d count 7M against our cap.

Which would still leave us over the cap and unable to sign Martin outright.
by Simitar on Jul 3, 2013 | 4:42 PM up reply rec flag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Ok...

So as we stand right now, are cap hit is $55,891,020.00 with AK’s $10mil still on our books?

So how does it work signing anyone over $2,608,980.00 if that puts us over the cap.

Just trying to figure this out.

Thanks

"Above-the-rim prowess"
by Hakeem Olajuwon on Jul 3, 2013 | 4:51 PM up reply rec flag
Actually we're over 60 with AK's cap hold.
by Simitar on Jul 3, 2013 | 4:59 PM up reply rec flag
Hakeem Olajuwon
So how does anyone get signed?

"Above-the-rim prowess"
by Hakeem Olajuwon on Jul 3, 2013 | 5:00 PM up reply rec flag
jacob9
Renounce AK, sign KMart, sign Bud

in that order

"at leass black dat **** up like jacob 9 shoutouts ta jacob 9" - maynholup 6/27/13
by jacob9 on Jul 3, 2013 | 5:00 PM up reply rec flag
Hakeem Olajuwon
Ok, renouncing AK...

Takes us down to around $50mil., signing Kevin takes us right up to the cap, and you can go over the cap with guys that were on the team last year.

Is that right?

"Above-the-rim prowess"
by Hakeem Olajuwon on Jul 3, 2013 | 5:05 PM up reply rec flag
jacob9
Correct sir

"at leass black dat **** up like jacob 9 shoutouts ta jacob 9" - maynholup 6/27/13
by jacob9 on Jul 3, 2013 | 5:10 PM up reply rec flag
By renouncing AK, his cap hold goes away. But we lose his "non-Bird" rights as well.

Currently without AK (and Stiemer released):

14,693,906 – Kevin Love
8,816,000 – Nikola Pekovic (Cap Hold)
5,016,960 – Derrick Williams
4,687,000 – JJ Barea
4,320,000 – Luke Ridnour
3,678,358 – Ricky Rubio
3,066,667 – Alexey Shved
2,180,000 – Dante Cunningham
1,681,728 – Chase (Cap Hold)
1,572,600 – Shabazz Muhammad
1,127,200 – Gorgui Dieng
916,099 – Chris Johnson

$51,762,008

Cap = $58,500,000

Cap Space = $6,737,992

Now, as long as we keep AK’s rights, you have to add another $11,735,219 to that total putting us at 63M and change.

At that point we can only resign Pek, Bud and AK because we have their Bird (or non-Bird) rights and can exceed the cap.

If we renounce AK, we’re back to having 6.7M in capspace. That’s enough to sign Martin, and then (even though we’re back at the cap) we can resign Pek and Bud using Bird Rights to exceed the cap.
by Simitar on Jul 3, 2013 | 5:04 P

Everyone got all that?

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07-04-2013 , 12:44 AM

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And I thought the MLB's FA rules were ****ed...

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07-04-2013 , 01:11 AM

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5. What would you offer Nikola Pekovic?

****: Five years, $57.5 million. Pek’s situation has all the earmarks of a nice payday. He finished the season well, he’s a big man and he’s a restricted free agent. If some team wants to pry him away from Minnesota, they’re going to have to make him an offer the Timberwollves would be reluctant to match. But I don’t see Minnesota letting him go that easily. After he flirts with other teams a little, I see them taking advantage of their Bird rights and locking him in for five years with bigger raises, but maybe conceding a little on the starting salary.

Elhassan: Four years, $44 million (five years, $55 million if it’s from Minnesota). One of the most efficient interior scorers in the league, Pekovic gets to the free throw line frequently (0.437 FTA rate) and converts (0.744 FT percentage), and is also one of the best offensive rebounders in the league (13.0 ORB percentage). Center is the highest-paid position in basketball, and with word of Tiago Splitter signing a four-year, $36 million deal, Pekovic’s leverage increases.

Han: Four years, $42.5 million. Centers are notoriously overpaid in the league simply because of the dearth of serviceable bigs. Pekovic is more than serviceable, though, ranking ninth last season in PER among all centers. He’s a solid roll-man and a boulder of a defender on the low block. If a team can sign him for a low-eight-figure price, that’s a reasonable deal considering the position.

Sunnergren: Four years, $60 million. It might prove to be a bit of an overpay, but the nearly 300-pound Montenegrin — after just three seasons of NBA basketball — has blossomed into an efficient and effective scorer (he posted 16.3 PPG last season and a higher true shooting percentage than Brook Lopez), a plus defender and one of the league’s pre-eminent offensive rebounders. [this strikes me as MORE than the max Pek can be offered (~56,, no?)]

Winter: Four years, $48 million. Pekovic isn’t a role player and he’s not a superstar, either. He deserves more money than Splitter but not as much as Marc Gasol. He might earn more than this in reality, but Pek’s defensive deficiencies at the rim and in pick-and-roll situations mean his very good raw numbers paint an inaccurate portrayal of his overall impact. For a limited third wheel, this seems appropriate.

idk where this was copied from

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Oh course we should renounce AK's rights. We don't have bird or early bird rights for him anyways (he only played for us for 1 year)

See part 32-40

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

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http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/07...w-ricky-rubio/

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07-04-2013 , 07:53 PM

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I thought Splitter was a RFA? does that mean we could just go sign Pek?

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07-04-2013 , 08:34 PM

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Zach Harper podcast

Lot of BS at the beginning, but about 13 minutes in Lang Whitaker says Rubio has put on a noticeable amount of weight. In a good way.

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07-04-2013 , 09:07 PM

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I thought Splitter was a RFA? does that mean we could just go sign Pek?

yeah, but.... His agent is waiting for Howard to sign to set the market, and he's hoping someone who failed to get Howard will make PEK a big offer, so he's making us wait. Word is that Taylor now plans to match any offer.

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Zach Harper podcast

Lot of BS at the beginning, but about 13 minutes in Lang Whitaker says Rubio has put on a noticeable amount of weight. In a good way.

I havent listened yet, but that is great news.

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07-05-2013 , 03:07 AM

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Portland traded for Robin Lopez

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07-05-2013 , 11:00 AM

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i think pek is going to wait until hes worth 8mill on the open market hhahaha

atl & dallas prob the only teams with cap room who would be interested ide assume anyways

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07-05-2013 , 12:15 PM

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Portland traded for Robin Lopez

woot!

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i think pek is going to wait until hes worth 8mill on the open market hhahaha

atl & dallas prob the only teams with cap room who would be interested ide assume anyways

I hope you're right, but $8m isn't even realistic. His QO is ~$8.8m I think. $12m+ seems more likely. ATL & DAL are possibilities if they fail to get Howard.

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07-05-2013 , 12:54 PM

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Dallas is my biggest concern. Dwight should go there.

Atlanta has tons of money to spend but I just can't picture Pek in Atlanta.

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07-05-2013 , 01:02 PM

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Dwight not going to Atlanta.

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07-05-2013 , 01:10 PM

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Ben Johnson @ben_johnson47

@DarrenWolfson Any update on AK47? Will he only become a possibility after Pek and on a 2-yr deal?

Darren Wolfson @DarrenWolfson

@ben_johnson47 Outside of a brief interaction via text message, no. ... 1st order of business: find a S&T for Martin. AK still a long-shot.
8:31 AM - 5 Jul 2013

Timberwolves Should Work for Sign-and-Trades for Kevin Martin and Andrei Kirilenko

By shrink on Jul 4 2013, 1:13p

There's still a chance AK can come back, but its not likely.

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07-05-2013 , 07:26 PM

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Dwight Howard has chosen to sign with the Houston Rockets, @USATODAYSports has learned. Story to come. – http://******/mH7dN

DAL & ATL are the most logical teams to go after PEK now. Stuff should happen soon.

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Dwight Howard’s agent, Dan Fegan, tells SI that Dwight has not made a final decision. Says he has alerted teams that he decided not to go to

DH is a ******* ******

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07-05-2013 , 07:33 PM

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Looks like the Hawks are trying to get Asik in a s&t with Josh Smith.

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07-05-2013 , 07:51 PM

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yeah, Asik to ATL makes sense, and that removes one more team that might have made a run at PEK.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/94...es-sources-say

Iggy went to GS. That could be a very good team. Utah took a bunch of dead weight salary from GS to make that happen, so Milsap & Big Al are probably both gone from there. Losing Iggy hurts DEN a lot - they got nothing in return for him. There's a very good chance the Wolves will take 2nd in the division next season.

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07-05-2013 , 08:43 PM

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ryan anderson got offered for asik... hmm not sure which direction rockets gonna go

what exactly is pek waiting for though?, is ATl or dallas really gonna offer him a big contract?. i cant see it

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07-05-2013 , 08:48 PM

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Atlanta has almost no salary on their books at this point. The could offer him the max easily. Horford is basically a PF, so he & PEK would make for a very imposing front line.

CLE & DAL are not out of the running either.

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