I don't understand the Kahn hate. Rambis needs to go and never get another coaching job at any level

i agree with jay, except that i do understand the kahn hate in that he is the most intolerable speaker in the history of the earth. i don't know if i could have a conversation with him without punching him in the face just because of the way he talks. but i think he has done fairly well at his job so far despite being arrogant and condescending and probably not having all the connections.

i was a rambis defender earlier, but i am convinced that he is terrible at this point. stubbornness is a bad trait for a coach

Why the hell would you guys draft Irving??? DWill/Barnes would be much better.

You guys are like the Lions, just select the best PG every year and continue to be the biggest POS franchise in the entire sport.

um, Johnny Flynn and Luke Ridinour are our point guards.

why would we prefer a 3/4 tweener when we already have beasley, love and randolph (and to a lesser extent wes johnson and webster)?

besides, irving is the best player of the 3 anyway.

With the lack of talent on this roster, we have to take the most talented player in the draft. My understanding is that Irving is head and shoulders above everyone else. This team needs more good talent at every position besides the 4.

I'm on Kahn's case because he knows nothing about basketball, and he does not believe in using statistics to aid in drafting players. He's spent 1/4 of the 1st round picks in Wolves history and has zero above average starters to show for it. He does not go for the player who is most likely to be good, he goes for the guy with the firm handshake and winning smile, or someone who he thinks has the highest upside (but really doesnt). Kahn is a major problem. The way he threw Rambis under the bus yesterday was pretty low class as well. If you were a potential head coach, why would you want to work for this guy?

A good source at Canis says this: …feelers were put out very recently to look into the feasibility of a complete change happening before the draft. In the grand scheme of things, Rambis is the expensive buyout. Kahn is not. If they make a coaching change, nobody expects that Kahn will last that much longer. They may as well get’r all done at once. Now, I have no idea what the feelers came back with, but if Rambis is cut a check, it’s not that big of a deal for Kahn to be given one as well. In December this sort of thing was unthinkable. In the last month, things have happened that, I have been told, have really, really turned some heads with the people who matter. No clue what those things are and I don’t care. All I know is that it is no longer preposterous to think that Kahn could be let go and that there is a legit conversation about it happening.

Please Glenn - just do it, and do it soon!!!


the roster requires “Significant, significant fine-tuning.”

if they get irving and a decent coach i really think the team has potential for next year.

say they were to trade beasley and/or rubio for a good SG and/or C. say OJ mayo (no idea if mayo himself is available or not).

irving, (mayo), randolph, love, darko with webster and wes on the bench is an OK team. if you can upgrade darko too it might even be decent once it meshes. alternatively, if you could hire someone who could make beasley into a good player that would be even better.

Rick Adelman not returning to Houston:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6384752

That'd be a good hire for the Wolves imo. Actually, I think we'd be very lucky to get him.

f word Barnes is returning to school. We need a top 2 pick now, preferably(sp) #1.

#1 + Adelman (or Sloan) or bust imo.

-i actually think kanter will be good also.
-the nice thing about getting williams would be that it'd probably be the end of beasley.
-yeah, i also want irving really bad

Stuff I've read suggests that this is a one player draft. The others might be good players, but Irving looks like a sure thing and a star, like almost certainly > John Wall.

If we miss on Irving, and Kahn is still in charge, it almost seems certain he'll make a mistake.

that's a huge exaggeration. kahn does have flaws but he's not stupid.

he's done a good job with the beasley, webster and jefferson/randolph/brewer transactions. yeah he missed on jonny flynn and rubio hasn't worked out so far but he's nowhere near the bumbling idiot that bill smith is, for example.

That "huge exaggeration" was based on something that stop n pop wrote at Canis. He doesnt usually exaggerate, backs up what he says with advanced stats and has been spot on about almost all of the pre-draft analysis I've read from past years.

Kahn might not appear to be as stupid as Smith, and has made some good trades, but I think he knows less about basketball than Smith does about baseball. They both do suck pretty bad imo. I think the comparison is like comparing a rotten egg to a fresh pile of dog ****.

well quote/cite then. to say that it's near certain that he'll mess up the 2-4 pick is pretty strong considering that a random american is probably better than 75% to not mess it up.

You're making me work too hard here. I'm just picking what I remember reading out of head

I'll see if I can find it.

This isnt the quote I was referring to, but here's one of his comments about Irving:

19 year old guards with nearly 70% TS%....….who don’t turn the ball over while running an efficient up-tempo offense > the athleticism of Marcus Banks. The small sample size is something to be concerned about (and should cause whoever drafts him to really look at the U18 FIBA championship and his AAU work), but imagine a bigger, more athletic, and slightly better shooting Ty Lawson…at 19. That’s the type of player his (admittedly) small sample size suggests.

I'll keep looking for the one I was referring to.

Ok, here it is, not exactly as I said it, but close enough:

http://www.canishoopus.com/2011/4/8/...t-board-pt-iii

Kyrie Irving is really, really good at basketball. He is the clear top pick in this draft and would be a complete deliverance to this franchise. No matter what you think about Kurt Rambis or David Kahn, if there is one thing we have learned from Kevin Love, it is that talent matters more than bad coaching or terrible general managing. Irving would immediately plug up one of the Wolves'worst positions with a massively competent and efficient player.

I haven't developed the score to be useful across multiple seasons (due to each college season featuring different averages for pace of play, strength of schedule, etc), but I think it is somewhat instructive to view the difference between the top players in any single year and their immediate competition. In this sense, Irving is a much clearer top prospect than anyone in last year's draft. My sense is that he is a far superior talent than John Wall.

huh? we all know irving is the best player in the draft. where does it say that kahn is guaranteed to screw up the #2 pick?

edit: oh , you thought i meant that irving>wall was a huge exaggeration. no, i agree 100%. he's a great player and i've been saying since november that he's the clear #1. and yeah i'd take him over wall. i meant that kahn being near certain to make a mistake was the huge exaggeration.

also too bad the wolves have (virtually) a 0% chance at the #1 next year because austin rivers is also going to be unreal.

No, they have a 0% chance because they don't have a 1st round pick next year.

edit: if they do have a 1st round pick it isn't their's

Trade Rubio to get next year's #1 back?

My saying Kahn is almost certain to make a mistake is a little tongue in cheek, similar to when someone says we have zero percent chance of winning the lottery this year because the Wolves' luck sucks, or its rigged or whatever.....

Kahn is bad at drafting - that is serious.

The Wolves dont own their #1 next year, so that reduces their chances of getting the #1, but they have Utah's #1. Utah has a >0 chance of winding up in the lottery again, so we have a >0 chance of getting the #1, but its still very slim.

Kahn's gonna Kahn imo.

I think he's had a couple of things fall into his lap but most of his real decisions are really, really suspect. I mean, is he the worst at his job in the world? Maybe not. But he's gotta be WAY below average at this point. My biggest issue isn't necessarily with his results but with the actual decisions he makes - they don't seem to be all that good or mesh with what Rambis wants to do (which is to make the team lose apparently).

This of course all signifies that ownership is too weak and isn't bringing in the right people to work together towards a common goal. Or is too involved in decision-making, or doing something wrong.

hence virtually 0%
good point
i figured as much until you started defending yourself haha (misunderstanding)