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Old 02-24-2009, 11:17 PM   #26
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Chiefs cut Donnie Edwards, Patrick Surtain and Damon Huard today. Surtain's release opened $6.2m in cap room, other two not soo much. This should be an epic off season.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:52 PM   #27
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Hey Chief fans, don't follow your team too closely, but was curious how Albert and Dorey played this season, iyo.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:01 AM   #28
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Chiefs cut Donnie Edwards, Patrick Surtain and Damon Huard today. Surtain's release opened $6.2m in cap room, other two not soo much. This should be an epic off season.
Definitely expected that to happen, but its great news anyway.


"The Chiefs, who were already about $37 million under the NFL's salary cap, cleared even more room with the releases of Patrick Surtain, Donnie Edwards and Damon Huard.

Surtain's cap cost to the Chiefs would have been $9.73 million. Now it's $3.55 million. Edwards' cap number dropped from about $6.5 million to about $1.1 million. Huard's number lowered about $2.9 million to about $900,000.

Total savings from yesterday's moves: about $13.5 million."

So now we're about $50 million under?!?!
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:03 AM   #29
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Hey Chief fans, don't follow your team too closely, but was curious how Albert and Dorey played this season, iyo.
I'm not an expert at grading linemen, but I thought Albert was fantastic for a starting rookie LT. Dorsey didn't make many impact plays, but it takes a few years for a DT to dominate. I'm not sure if he did what they expected or not, someone else may know. Also Flowers and Carr did a pretty good job for 2 rookie corners.
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:55 PM   #30
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Dorsey wasn't terrible but under what you'd expect for the #5 pick overall that many projected even higher w/o injury concerns. Here's hoping he gets on whatever "program" everyone else in the NFL trenches is on.

Also there's a lot of scuttlebutt in KC that Herm didn't use him properly by lining him up straight over the guard instead of shooting the gap. Dorsey is barely 6'1 and not really a space-eater like Haynesworth. Of course no one was saying this until Jason Whitlock wrote about it, now everyone on the Chiefs forums acts like it's common knowledge Dorsey wasn't used right, w/o crediting of course. So who knows. Also the Chiefs might switch to a 3-4, how Dorsey fits into that I personally have no idea.

Albert was awesome. I really like this kid a lot. The Chiefs may have LT locked up for the next 10-12 years.

Also it seems we may have grabbed 2 starting corners in this years draft, one in the 5th round. How often does that happen? They did pretty well, especially considering all the pressure put on them by the worst pass rush in the history of pro-football last year.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:28 AM   #31
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Ruh roh...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1057650.html

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by what he perceived to be the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.

The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens.

The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value.

Waters declined public comment on Thursday.

He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime.

Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award.

According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcilable, the source said.

Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:49 AM   #32
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Well I've had some time to think about this. I was pretty upset at this at first. But the more I think about it, we don't know the whole context. All we know for sure is Waters demanded to speak to Pioli ad Haley, was rebuffed to a large degree, then went crying to Whitlock - the official anti-Bob Gretz.

Some pretty good points made in this from the article comment stream:

chief28 wrote on 2/27/2009 12:40:49 AM:
Although the interactions are disappointing, I don't find to much issue with some of it. I am sorry that they guy trying to run the freaking team including revamping the scouting department and setting up plans for the future doesn't have time to talk to Waters right now. I am a little shocked that he took issue with that. I don't go to the CEO and talk to him about his plans for the company in the middle of major transition and expect it to go real well. I don't love Haley's comments to Waters. I also think considering all of the things that are going to be changed in the short period of time (like bringing in a new coaching staff in a matter of a few weeks and evalute all the players) take precedent.

I am sorry that Herm wiped peoples noses for them from the second he walked in the door. maybe if he was more concerned about doing his job, he would be better off. This certainly looks like Waters was trying to get a pay raise since he is a good solider and wasn't met with.



Lol, and the more I think about it the more I think Whitlock may be playing both sides of this a little if you read between the lines:

"Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by what he perceived to be the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source."

Well let's see, what "source" would have first hand knowlegde of the inner-working of Brian Waters' mind? I just wonder if Waters called Whitlock in a huff, Whitlock published the story, leaving Waters anonymous as requested - but wrote it in such a way that makes Waters ultimately look as bad as Haley/Pioli, if not worse.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:14 AM   #33
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

this article doesn't make waters look bad imo. it doesn't give all the details, but the ceo analogy doesn't fit b/c if i'm not mistaken waters was a team captain.

if a new ceo joins a company it would be pretty silly of him to ignore senior level workers that remain on staff unless he wanted to create a rift between himself and his employees from the get go. yeah there is a business to run but part of making sure it runs well is insuring a smooth transition in leadership

who knows what happened though. it's possible waters demanded to see him or something as former team captain and haley was too busy, but being too busy to talk isn't the same as having no reason to talk
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:22 AM   #34
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Ya, Waters doesn't look bad at all.

The playing both sides thing is not relevant.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:25 PM   #35
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel!!!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...-matt-cas.html

Really curious to see the terms, best not be for #3 pick.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:41 PM   #36
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Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel!!!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...-matt-cas.html

Really curious to see the terms, best not be for #3 pick.
Are they trading for him, or signing him and paying New England the penalty? If they're just signing him, that's pretty awful.

EDIT: Looks like a trade. It's exciting for KC fans as Cassel is good, but if NE wanted to do it something tells me KC probably overpaid slightly.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:46 PM   #37
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Peter King reporting KC 2nd round pick for Cassel & Vrabel
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:50 PM   #38
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Don't like it. Thigpen showed heart last year with a terrible offense, should of upgrading the line and given him another year. Cassell won't be much of an upgrade without a sick oline/welker helping him
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:04 PM   #39
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Holy crap if you can get Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel for a 2nd rd. pick you take it. This is a steal for the Chiefs (good for Pats too as the obviously couldn't afford to have so much cap space tied up in two QBs.) And Vrabel can still play.
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:13 PM   #40
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Except is Cassel going to agree to a long term deal when he can just take 14 million for this one year?

Seems super expensive.

Not sure what I think.

Plus he isn't that good imo.

edit: But both for a 2nd is good.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:03 PM   #41
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How come no one is talking Matt Cassel with so much cap room? I'm not a GM so I'm not sure how possible this is but I would love to see Cassel go to KC, plus the Pioli connection, it kind of makes a little sense.
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looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooool 3-4
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool chefs
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they chefs are who we thought they were?
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:17 AM   #44
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Re: KC Chiefs 2009: Pioli & Haley Era Year 1

Crennel mulling Chiefs offer to become DC

Tiny by takclaw on Feb 28, 2009 11:08 PM CST Comment 3 comments

From the Cleveland Plain-Dealer:

Waiting on Romeo: Former Browns coach Romeo Crennel is convalescing from successful hip replacement surgery and weighing an offer to become the defensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Chiefs are holding the position open for Crennel, who is waiting to learn exactly how long his rehabilitation process will keep him out. The Chiefs may have enticed Crennel a little bit more by trading for New England linebacker Mike Vrabel.

Whether or not Crennel accepts, he has decided not to remain with the Browns in an unspecified role offered by Mangini.

Crennel previously declined an offer to rejoin Charlie Weis as Notre Dame's defensive coordinator. Crennel and Weis were Belichick's coordinators during New England's three Super Bowl championship seasons.


This just keeps getting better and better.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:38 AM   #45
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looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooool 3-4
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who are the chefs iyo?
How drunk are you right now?
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lol. patriots beta version?
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I really don't think the gap between Thigpen and Cassel is large at all.
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Don't like it. Thigpen showed heart last year with a terrible offense, should of upgrading the line and given him another year. Cassell won't be much of an upgrade without a sick oline/welker helping him
You've gotta be kidding me, this was a heist (well not really since the Pats needed the cap room, but they probably could've gotten a bit more).
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There are some reports that the pats might of turned down more picks from either TB/DET
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Is that collusion and against the rules?
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