We may have the most guys on IR, but do guys like Havner count? I mean he was on our roster for 2 weeks and played 1 game. I wont put guys like Grant in that category for obvious reasons other than opening day roster. Harrell is an opening day roster guy, even though he sucked anyway. I say it is a push between us and Ind who have 8, but I mean a push in the key players department.

Yeah I don't think you can group havner into the injured category...i mean technically sure but he didn't contribute at all.

Colts really giving the packers a run for their money in the injury dept. Hopefully the pack can beat up on the 9ers this week and the bears have a letdown game and the lions can finally put together 4 quarters instead of 2.5.

Yeah I think we're starting to see how bad the loss of Grant really is. He generally seems to play the second half of the season better and if the Atlanta game is any indication we do not have a running game at all. Still I have been impressed with the Packers this year and feel they are really only one or two (healthy) pieces from a Super Bowl run, particularly at a time in which there does not appear to be any real dominant team.

I am just wondering how far the Bears are going to go. They beat Detroit on a very debatable call. The Dallas win was impressive until we found out how terrible they really were. Beating the Packers isn't really a testament to their talent when the Pack basically imploded the entire game. Then they beat some of the worst teams in the league...Carolina, Buffalo, and Minnesota (who got absolutely destroyed the week after), followed by shutting out a very hurt Miami team. Now they suddenly look like a playoff team vs. the Eagles. Three weeks ago we were wondering if the Bears were the worst 5-3 team ever. How far will they go??

Someone like Havner isn't really a loss, but most others had value. I believe GB broke or tied the record for opening day starters on the IR (Harrell didn't start btw).

Losing a bunch of role players starts to hurt after a while...particularly our depth at positions. Losing two OLBs and two MLBs is difficult to replace. Losing two d-linemen for the year (even if one is Harrell) hurts our depth...especially with Jenkins and Pickett playing through injuries. C.J Wilson has seen significant playing time...he barely made the roster.

The plus side to these injuries is that it has allowed players that would have been otherwise buried on the depth chart to step up and excel. Bishop has been playing at a pro bowl level this year. Shields has been phenomenal.

he was on opening day roster. I count him but not a havner

Great win. Hopefully Starks is now the starting RB. Jackson can be a good backup and used on screens.

4 games left and if we win out we win the division as it would come down to the conference record tiebreaker and we would win it 9-3 to 8-4. If Chicago loses to either NE or NYJ then we can drop the NE game, win the other 3, and same still holds true. Favre is now dead so maybe the Vikes can give the Bears a game in Minny. I like our chances.

Yeah Starks looked really good. If he keeps it up, Rodgers won't have to pull a Vick the rest of the season.

Peprah and Collins had pretty poor games yesterday, but other than that, solid game all around. Driver's play was ridiculous, especially considering he's like 50.

And a 29 yarder Crosby? C'mon man!

Terrible officiating on both sides as well. Blowing the play dead on the offsides call was awful, as well as the intentional grounding call and the no-call on intentional grounding later in the game.

Gawd those unis were hideous. But James Starks doin' work

Starks looked good is what everyone is saying. He had 73 yards on 18 carries. That is only 0.2 ypc more than what Jackson has averaged on the season. I say it is just that the key was the 18 carries. Jackson has only been getting 12/gm. I do like how they actually ran the ball from the RB position 28 times for 99 yds. Not stellar but using them and getting yds. This offense doesn't need to pound the rock, but more than they have. I do like the fact that they went more to the run.

Collins is horrible anyway, this is nothing new, IMO. Driver's play was ridiculous. It helps that their safety (#30) was horrible the whole game.

As for blowing the play dead on what would have been a long completion, when a defender breaks the neutral zone causing an offensive guy to false start, the play is blown dead. If you look back on it you can see that Colledge moved. I don't know what they talked about or were looking at with the intentional grounding, it was pretty obvious that Rodgers thought one of the WR's was going to break to the end zone, and actually it looked as though one of them was supposed to be there but he broke his route off. I think that was a miscommunication between the WR and the QB which resulted in a penalty.

I was at the 49ers game. Seeing that Driver TD in person was amazing. We were all in shock. Sadly my brother was in the bathroom at the time. Just great to see since Driver has not really been a factor lately and probably does not have more than a year or two left in him. Otherwise I guess I can forgive Crosby for missing that FG since it was damn cold out there. I imagine it would be like kicking a brick. He did make a much longer one later on.

Rest of the season should be very interesting. We should definitely be able to beat the Lions; they're down to Drew Stanton now, who is pretty awful. Giants we should be able to take as well at home. As for New England after yesterday I'm not sure if anyone can beat them. Then again the Jets are still really not a very good team so whatever. Pretty likely that it all comes down to Week 17

Starks had 11 carries for 54 yards before the Niners started stacking the box during garbage time. Plus, Jackson's long run vs the 'Skins is the only reason his ypc isn't awful.

And yeah I looked back at the neutral zone infraction and it appear Colledge did move, so they got it right...just sucks cause it would've been a huge completion.

Why is Collins horrible? He was obviously bad yesterday...but not overall imo.

I think up until the bye week, Jackson was effective for what the offense needed him for. Since then he also went against the Vikings and Falcons on the road who have pretty good defenses overall. Regardless, I liked the stats from Starks on Sunday.

I have not yet seen the game and do not know if it is going to be replayed on NFL Network since it wasn't that exciting of a game, but I was wondering if anyone had a link or any advice about watching the game. Please PM me if so, much appreciated.

Final 4 weeks should be fun. Have a hunch the Bears are gonna pull one out on Sunday, let's hope not.

The difference in running by Jackson and Starks is night and day. Starks actually runs hard and hits the hole. Jackson dances around in the backfield waiting for something to open up and ends up losing 2 yards.

I still love Jackson on third down runs and his ability on screens is wonderful. But Starks should be getting the majority of carries the rest of the way.

You do realize this drops his avg. from 5.1 the whole game, to 4.9 with the 11 carries, which is what Jackson is at. My point is more that, sample size of one game, does a game breaker not make.

Collins is horrible, because in this game was a microchosm of how he is IMO. Just like Sharper used to be, makes some plays (INT's) but doesn't play the run too well. Not a good tackler.

This does not compute. If you think he dances in the backfield, how is that good for 3rd and short?

I don't think. I know it.

He's good for 3rd down in general. Better pass blocker, can catch the ball and quite frankly I would trust him more than Starks for a 3rd and short.

i doubt ive ever cursed anyone louder than darren sharper. one of my least favorite players of all time. what made it worse was the fact that he made probowls and people thought he was good.

18 carries for 73 is 4.1 ypc...not 5.1

And he looked way better than Jackson ever has. Starks actually hits the holes decisively. Jackson dances around and turns 3 yard gains into no gain.

It still stands because Jackson is still on the season 0.2 ypc on Starks 1 game. But anoint him like all of Packer nation seems to do on guys from 1 game.

What else do you expect Packer Nation to talk about?? Yeah it's just one game but I think it's exciting to know we may have a legit option at RB. Obviously we'll know more in the next few games. Especially in weeks 15-17.

Bacats32, if you take out Jackson's one long run (71 yds; his next longest is 27 btw) vs. the Skins, his ypc is 3.37. We know what we're getting with Jackson: below-average starter, good 3rd down back. Starks obviously showed some flashes and had a good game overall. I don't think it's unreasonable to get excited about Starks, even if it is only one game, considering our running game has been abysmal this season

I'm more concerned with the apparently lack of Pass-Rushing right now, with Clay being hampered and no one on the kine getting a ton of pressure, esp against 3 teams upcoming /w above average QB's (1 Star in Brady, obv).

4 sacks last week wasn't getting pressure? Still sacked Matt Ryan, twice, as well. Don't know how you can say we're not getting pressure when still recording sacks.

yeah, the defense has been solid all season, even carrying at times. I don't know what you see!!!

your team is pathetic

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