lol @ going 20 yds to set up a game winner that was what 50+.

My point was that he does great the first 55 min of game. Thanks for 2nd that argument. Of course though you have to throw in the helmet to helmet argument because that is what you rely on?.? Hope for a bail out.

I don't want to re get into a debate here I think Rodgers is a great QB, but IMO he hasn't shown to be a winner. It is easy to pile stats when you are up 28-3 against scrub team on their way to a 5-11 record. It is also easy to pile stats against a team that isn't known for defense when you are down 21 and they are playing prevent ala playoff's vs. ARI. When the link about QB rating was linked, it shows that his rating drops in the 4th quarter and the game in still in question. don't get me wrong, his QB rating in that scenario is still good, just not what it is all other times of the games.

Same thing can be said for a lot of the picks Favre has thrown at end of games, but that's what people are going to remember the most.

That being said, I'm sure when it is all said and done Rodgers end-game or "clutch" stats are going to look pretty close to the rest of his stats as well.

24-18 as a starter. Seems to be a winner to me.

I threw in the helmet to helmet comment because I agree that has nothing to do with him throwing that interception, it's all on him. But it's also a penalty and would have nullified the INT and then who knows what happens. Maybe he throws another one, maybe not.

"Being a winner" is such a ******** concept. Marino - "not a winner", take away the Grossman Bowl and Peyton goes down as the biggest "never won anything" of all time. That doesn't make either of them less of a quarterback. Put Marino/Peyton in place of Montana/Young and they're WINNING BORN LEADERS.

If the biggest knock on Rodgers is that he's "not a winner", I'm super-happy about the next 10 years for GB.

Hey hey, Rodgers isn't clutch guy.

BITE ME

So that's one. Did you see Matt Ryan's stat. 11 game winning drives. Anyway I came in here to say, I was impressed today with Rodgers performance late game, today. In spite of McCarthy's play calling, lack of challenging. McCarthy's short yardage play calling was pathetic.

So how do you feel with the officials not only calling offside on a guy timing the snap because he sees the playclock, but not calling delay of game on same play.

Rodgers needs to play on Special Teams.

Losing games by 3 ****ing sucks.

Pick the most frustrating thing about today:

-Not challenging the Rodgers slide on the first series of the game.
-Kicking FG on 4th and short early on.
-Not challenging the Tony G dropped pass on 4th down.
-The 3rd/4th and short play calling.
-Shields as the KR. Maybe the special teams as a whole here since the face mask penalty was a killer.

I did like the flea flicker play call. Thought the defense played pretty well all things considered. Not really too upset about the loss. Still think the division is to be had even if the Bears pull out a W today. 4 losses all by FGs within the last :10. Probably cost them a shot at home field throughout, but now 2 games behind + tiebreaker with 4 to play and Atlanta has a relatively easy schedule even though they have 3 in a row on the road.

Go dog killer.

You do realize that it takes a split second for the official to look at the play clock and then the snap? See the Notre Dame-Michigan State game fake FG play.

No shot at HFA. Not too broken up by this loss since it felt like we were freerolling after 4th and 15.

Vick better beat the **** out of the Bears.

Yes I know, I am just using this to rebut his semantics. That being said, I officiate NFL rules semi pro football throughout the midwest, and as the back judge, I am in charge of it and although I give the offense the benefit of the doubt on a close one like that, I never let an offside called in same scenario, I bang it dead and it is then false start. These officials didn't, therefore it doesn't matter.

Forgot to add in my 5 things that I thought were somewhat frustrating after watching Andy Reid do the same thing:

#6 - Packers not using timeouts at the end of the first half when the Falcons had 1st and goal and were able to run out the clock. Packers had 2 timeouts left and could have had some time to get ball back.

Most frustrating was the fumble at the 1

"According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers used more five-receiver sets Sunday than the rest of the NFL had in the previous 11 weeks of the season combined."

Still ran too much.

This. I got into an argument with my dad during the game, because he thought that letting the clock run off was the right move, so something like what happened to Dallas doesn't happen. He also doesn't think Childress is an idiot, though, enough said ("He is/was a NFL head coach, he can't be an idiot!" *faceplam*)

McCarthy's play calling today was downright terrible, though.

McCarthy:Oh, look, we've passed on every play this drive and we're now on the 2 yard line.

Rodgers: ldo, they can't stop the pass. Quick slant to Jennings for the TD, amirite?

McCarthy: Butnahhhhhhhhhh, you're going to run right up the middle. I don't care if you're 7/9 for 70+ yards on this drive. We gotta establish the run!

Rodgers: So, you're saying that you want to do something other than what has been working the whole game, while putting your franchise QB, unnecessarily, in harms way?

McCarthy: Yep

Rodgers: ....

Oh, by the way McCarthy. They give you two challenge flags for a reason. ****ing use them.

Sam Shields, learn how to take a knee on a ****ing kickoff.

Slocum, teach your players how to defend a ****ing kickoff.

With all the crazy ass **** McCarthy has challenged that he shouldn't have "because he had a good look at it" instead of waiting for the guys upstairs to tell him he is an idiot.... I could not believe he did not challenge that play. Maybe coaching too many games coaching Chilly rubbed off on him?

I don't think Rodgers is really un-clutch or anything, his 4th Q/game-winning drive stats are going to look better as his career progresses. He got that reputation in 2008 when the Packers had like 7 or 8 of their 10 losses decided by 4 points or less...only problem was that many of those losses were not really Rodgers' fault, in 2 cases Crosby missed potential game-winning FGs (sound familiar??), in others the defense would let him down despite playing a solid game. I mean we saw today that Rodgers could lead a game-winning drive only to find the special teams ruin it anyway with less than a minute to play. He was also pretty clutch in the first Vikings game despite being off all night. And his overtime record (0-for-career) is pretty negative variance any way you slice it. I know QB rating is not a great stat, but the truth is there are really no great stats in QB play, and QB rating is a hell of a lot better than just watching TV and saying "well, I feel he is not very good in these situations..."

As for yesterday's loss I think it's pretty much all on McCarthy. I don't see why he didn't challenge the 4th and 3 "catch", even if you don't see enough evidence it's obviously close enough that it's worth a shot. His play-calling was really suspect. I can't believe we don't have any bootleg or sweeps plays to call on 2nd- or 3rd- or 4th-and-short. He wasn't adjusting his play-calling to the game and only really turned Rodgers loose on that last drive.

the face mask penalty sucked but without it that dude woulda ran another 65 yards for a td.

Tramon extended through 2014

$41MM a big payday, but well deserved imo.

Brandon Chillar & Spencer Havner both added to IR

Did Havner even play this season? He was picked up what during the bye week?

He played in the last game (3rd quarter?). I didn't see him either.

I wasn't aware that Havner was even active for a game. 13 players on IR is ****ing insane, though. Then go into all the week to week injuries... ugh...

Thank god we get an WDOAT team this weekend. SF was bad before they lost Gore, can't imagine how this is gonna affect them.

Just did some looking at the rest of the way. Assuming CHI loses to NE and NYJ but beats MN and DET. NYG game will be just as big as CHI game maybe even bigger just to secure a playoff spot. If there is any game left that is meaningless it is NE.