Contract the Bucks and execute the guy that pulled him onto the court imo.

Execute the whole damn team.. sigh.

I'm not sure I would call the Falcons over rated, as Ryan/White/Turner are all studs and although I haven't seen a full game of theirs yet, their defense can't be that bad.

I'd prob put it as :

PHI
ATL
GB
NO
NYG

The Giants are really, really hurt by injuries to their O-Line....I think they are the true definition of "wild card" right now.

Ryan, Turner, and White are solid...but the defense is really vulnerable. Eagles, Packers, and Saints could all shred their secondary. Also, I like our pass defense vs Ryan.

Why won't the Bears ****ing die already! Worst 7-3 team ever?

Yeah, I'm stunned that they have a 7-3 record as well. I mean they looked good the last two weeks but let's be honest the Vikings really blow and the Dolphins were playing Tyler Thigpen so who knows what we can take out of that. Their remaining schedule is tough...PHI, @DET, NE, @MIN, NYJ, @GB. Of course we don't know what's going to happen with Minnesota but there's really not an easy game on that list, especially if Detroit gives them so much trouble again. Then again the Bears seem to have fixed some things including not giving up 10 sacks a game. You never really know with Jay Cutler. Now that Favre is consistantly terrible minus half a quarter here and there Cutler is the most unpredictable quarterback in the league. If he runs hot who knows??? All I know is there is no excuse for the Pack not to destroy them in Week 17.

The Dolphins are a run first team anyway, and we just beat a Vikings team that really blows. What does that say for us and the teams we have beaten and lost too? What about our 7-3 record. We beat Phi. which isn't the same Phi. team now. Besides the Eagles, the Jets are the only team with a winning record we have beaten. The Bears beat us at home. This season is going to boil down to the final week. They can lose one more than us along the way.

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Well obviously we'll know more after we play ATL/NE/NYG but all I can say is that even with the same record and more or less the same schedule the Packers have looked more impressive. They blew out three teams including two in a row. They shutout a Super Bowl favorite and have allowed only 10 points through three games. The Packers aren't the same team they were at the start of the season, either. Plus, the Bears have some downright embarassing losses (AND wins) while the Pack's three losses all came by FG's on the last play of the game. It's true that the Bears beat us but I think the Packers setting our single-game penalty record had something to do with that...over the last few games the Pack have really cleaned up the flags. I don't understand why you continue to be so down on this team. Like nearly every post I've seen from you re:Packers seems to dig for bad things to say about them/reasons why other teams are better. Given the ridiculous amount of injuries they've sustained in the first month and what they've done in the last month, what more do they have to do? I think almost everyone would agree that the Packers are the best team in the NFC North.

Well everyone can agree that they are the best team in the north (other than me), until proven otherwise. They are 1/2 game back right now, trailing a team that beat them, not on the final play of the game. IMO, they haven't been super impressive. Yes, they have blown out 2 horrible teams who quit on their coaches (then coaches get fired). My biggest beef is that I am not sold on the regime in charge, or Rodgers. Yes he is a good QB, but he still (even after all injuries) has weapons. I think any better than avg. QB puts up his numbers. What gets me, is that he hasn't shown that he is a winner in the clutch. This defense (where most of the injuries are) IMO is top 3 in the league (stats are for losers). So although I seem like I am down on this team, I am high on this defense. Dom Capers is an excellent defensive minded coach.

I think we beat NE and lose to the other 2. I don't know or haven't seen much on ATL, this is just a gut feeling, but NYG's pass rush is going to kill us, and McCrapstick doesn't seem to want to establish a running game. I think Defense helps us beat out NE. ATL is a coinflip IMO. Although I thought we were going to lose to NYJ. No turnovers is key. Jets had 3 we had 0. We need to keep this stat going in order to win these games.

WTF you honestly think the Bears are a better team then the Packers? I don't think at all that the division will come down to week 17, Bears suck and they have a harder schedule.

And Rodgers is a top 5 QB.

Love this picture...

All in all, i think CHI has a harder schedule than us, which is nice... but we do play essentially the same teams and it will be a fight to the finish...

I can see both scenarios playing out... we have it wrapped by week 17, or we are in a must-win... Chicago is streaky, but their defense has been just as good as ours, and their offense is doing enough to win games... If Forte continues to somehow rush for 80+ a game, that's a problem.

He isn't in the top 5 in any statistical category except for TD's where he is tied with Brady. That being said, I have him at #7 right now.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...S&d-447263-n=1

Not this season but he is #2 on the all-time passer rating list:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...ing_career.htm

1. Philip Rivers (28) 97.3 2004-2010 sdg
2. Aaron Rodgers (26) 96.9 2005-2010 gnb
3. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
4. Tony Romo (29) 95.5 2004-2010 dal
5. Peyton Manning (33) 95.1 1998-2010 clt
6. Tom Brady (32) 93.9 2000-2010 nwe
7. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
8. Ben Roethlisberger (27) 92.5 2004-2010 pit
9. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
10. Drew Brees (30) 92.0 2001-2010 2TM

Seems to be in good company. Notice that a certain "B.F." did not make the list. If you're wondering whether a guy like, say Matt Ryan or Flacco or Stafford or Romo could put up the same numbers, I honestly don't know but I think Rodgers is more talented than you are giving him credit for. This season he has looked off, as though he cannot remember what play is being called, but I can't see that lasting. He still has good stats this year. I do think he has what it takes to be on the Brady/Manning/Brees level and win a Super Bowl.

BTW that Bears win did come on the last play of the game, did it not??

lol sample size with regards to that passer rating, but it is an interesting stat to see I suppose.

arodg is borderline top 5. after brady/manning...i think rodgers, brees, big ben, eli, rivers, and even matty ice are all right there and interchangeable.

cant wait for sunday.

re: bears loss...gould kicked the field goal with a couple of seconds left if i remember, they still had to kick off.

I don't think lol @ the sample size. I do think ARog is a great passer and QB, but when 5 min left in game and it is close, I would love to see the QB rating at that time frame.

http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronrodg...s?id=ROD339293

good find, I looked and although not bad, he is around 89 in this situation. Significant drop off. Last season however he was still up there.

Solid find on the situational stats.

lol sample size bc he has only started for 2.5 seasons. And I think QB rating is an overrated stat, but I guess I should have mentioned that in my last post.

QB rating is an overrated stat imo as well, sort of. One game? Yes. One season? aaahhhhh, maybe, but multiple not really. But stats in general are over rated. Right now, I think he is a huge stat getter and just hasn't proven to be a "winner" meaning crunch situations. This season even, they have had the game over with time remaining on the clock (3-5 min and game isn't in question), or lost the close ones. Yes there have been some close wins which I attribute to the defense, (NYJ).

In some defense to ARod... His supporting cast isn't the greatest fit to the red zone situation. No real big over the top / fade threat... and when a D knows they can muscle receivers on the line and not get beat over the top, they can load the box and stop the run....

The Washington game, he sets up the game winning field goal and Crosby hits the upright. Then he throws an INT in OT (insert helmet to helmet argument here) and people say he's not clutch. He also won the Bears game last year at the end. Miami game this year leads the tying drive with 13 seconds left. And of course the playoff game last year where after trailing 17-0 and 31-10 he leads the team back despite the defense doing jack ****. But you will probably point out his fumble at the end ignoring the whole body of work in what he did.

I guess people like you wish he would lead a game winning touchdown drive with no time left on the clock every game.

He also has a 2.6-1 TD to INT ratio, limited sample size compared to everyone else but it's the best ever.

"In Week 7 against Minnesota, Rodgers threw a red-zone interception for the first time in 39 career starts. Since 2008, he has registered a 107.3 rating on 116-of-189 passing (61.4 percent) for 756 yards and 49 touchdowns with one interception in the red zone."

Seems to be working just fine.