Miami ended up scoring a TD on that drive as result of the penalty, so maybe the game wouldn't have went to OT? Just because something does not happen in the last second of a game does not mean it cannot (help) determine the outcome of the game.

No kidding. "Had little to do with the outcome of the game"?? Well considering it basically gave Miami 7 points in a game that went to OT I think it had an awful lot to do with the outcome. Obviously the Packers could have still lost but why don't you just look at the WE% following the penalty??

It isn't like that penalty gave them a TD. GB didn't stop them, then in OT GB had the ball. And maybe if McCarthy would utilize a run game more they would win some games too. This is the ignorance I am hearing on the radio. You only see the missed calls that should have went GB's way, what about other calls that GB gets they shouldn't, I never see ITT where, GB shouldn't have won that game because the refs shouldn't have called this or that. Next time he shouldn't line up so damn close to that 1 yd mark over the center and not give an excuse to get the call made.

FYP, if say the Packers dont' get the penalty called or they just stop MIA to a FG instead of a TD there, do you really think the outcome is different. Rodgers doesn't sneak the ball in on 4th in a 3 pt game, they kick to play OT anyway. Then from there, same outcome.

Results oriented thinking ITT.

No to beat a dead horse, but

All the teams in the NFL are so close this year, you can certainly point to hundreds of little things throughout the season as causes for outcomes. The Packers are not far from 6-0. The Rams...the St. Louis Rams, are 2 plays away from being 5-1. All 32 teams can make a case for some bounce going their way and their record being completely different. But it didn't happen, so there is no point in discussing what if's. The difference is that the Packers and Cowboys continually beat themselves on stupid ****. This week it wasn't a field goal hitting a post, it was not cashing in on opportunities and putting themselves in a position to have a penalty called.


/Rant. Good day.

lets all remember the refs gifted us part of the game when they said ronnie brown didnt convert the 4th down attempt.

Justice for not throwing a flag for PI that caused the interception that led to this drive.

Durf. But we're not talking about all the other things that happened in that game, we're talking about that specific penalty. It's not like I'm saying the Pack even deserved to win this game, or that they didn't have other opportunities, or whatever words you're going to put in my mouth this time. I'm just saying if you look at the win expectancy shift when GB got flagged...yeah, you're gonna see a shift, and it's idiotic to say that play didn't really have much bearing on the game. And get out of here with that dumb FYP crap because that doesn't even work on what I posted...even if I had posted what you thought I did, how do you know GB has the exact same gameplan down by 3 as they do down by 7?

Bizarre you're trying to call me out for results oriented thinking...first of all, I'm not sure that you're really one to talk, and secondly, I'm not like up in arms saying that we got screwed by the refs blah blah blah like whatever talk radio hosts, I'm just saying yes that one play did effect the game quite a bit. This is the NFL where the team that "deserves" to win often doesn't, and the idea is that you don't want to get in a situation where one possession can screw you anyway. All I'm saying is pretty much anything that turns an opponent's 4th down punt into a 1st down is stupid to even risk and in a close game it's a pretty big deal.

Clay is back this week, maybe he can retire Favre at lambeau

who is out for the packers?

You forgot to bold the "maybe" part of my quote, but regardless i'm not being result-oriented. I was just stating why it might be considered a big penalty since some people seem to think plays in middle of the game don't matter, which is probably why some coaches still have a job.

I've also stated that it should not have been a penalty, and so far the only defense I've heard to that argument is you should stand more than a yard back even though the rules state you only need to stand a yard back. It's not the player's fault for lining up properly that the referee cannot call the play properly. This is a game of inches, the rule says a yard, not a yard plus enough space to make moran referees more competent. If that were true, should defensive linemen start waiting a second after the ball is snapped just to make extra sure they don't get called for offsides?

I'm also not saying the Packers would have won or even should have won the game.

of course their WE goes up if they get that call their way. And of course they play differently being down 3 instead of 7, they probably go mega conservative once they get in FG range therefore never even getting close to the end zone.
It isn't the talk radio hosts saying the ref's screwed GB, it is the fans calling in, in fact the hosts are saying to not blame the officials. If you want to think the ref is a moron idiot for making the call that is fine, but the plane for offsides, or this particular penalty isn't where your feet are, it is a plane just like the endzone on a TD, it just has to break it, even in the air. So if his feet are 1 yd back but his helmet breaks that 1 yrd zone, then it is a penalty. Was it a ticky tack penalty? Of course it was, but if you want to be sure to not have it called on you, don't give the official's an excuse to call it.

http://www.packers.com/team/injury-report.html

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Easier to list who ISN'T out at this point.

and I don't think Clay should murder Favre, or if he does, should wait until the 4th quarter. TJax can't be worse than ol' graybeard right now.

I don't necessarily agree with that - they would probably play ultra conservative in case of a tie. Down by 3 I don't see any head coach playing for just the tie. I'm not exactly sure what "conservative" play calling is in this case. I think MM's going to call whatever he thinks is most likely to get down the field, but whatever. Obviously players should never put themselves in a situation where they can get flagged for something stupid and game-changing like this but still it's kind of a dumb rule. I think they were saying that Rodgers is 1/12 in games decided by 4 pts or less, which is absurd. Obviously for the fans losing close game after close game is going to cause them to get a little irrational and start blaming the refs, etc.

yep.

driver hawk and collins were all playing lasr week i thought, listed as DNP on wed?

pretty brutal tho considering despite the injuries the last 2 weeks still came down to OT

DNP just means they didnt participate in practice

this. Driver and Collins not practicing and starting on Sundays is standard, anyway.

I've got a bad feeling about this game. Hopefully Clay beasts a couple Favre fumbles and we get out to a quick 21-0 en route to a 38-10 final or something.

If Pickett and Matthews both play, I think we'll be fine. If it's just Matthews, it's 50/50. If neither... uh... don't wanna think about that.

You sir are wrong! Mr. Farve is the best.

missed 4th down and harvin lighting it up, i consider this game over---youre asking a base D to guard favre, we really need to win in a shootout. cant play much of our scheme

tack on 15 to harvin run, ggnh

I may be converting to liking jackson---

but im interested in how i can look up his ypa on draws/delays v runs

still hate mccarthy on 3+short and 4+short

3+3 obv shotgun empty going 15 yards down field is the best idea when jacksons got going

no wonder why were the worst in the nfl on 3+3 and under