you can site 4 ypc all you want but theres certainly a factor that since we have lost grant weve gone much more pass heavy. that shoudl lead to a higher ypc as defenses go to stop the pass more, a shift back in the p/r split would certainly lower the ypc

what DL issues?

pass coverage has suffered lately w/ hawk getting more playing time w/ chillar out today, and jones

also the first round pick i was talking about giving up woudl be for the patriots guard Mankins.

theres talk of the pats looking to give up a 4th for lynch, so yes before they beat us again, id happy give up a 3rd for lynch, even a 2nd, the kids only 24 (my age, tear). remember the last time we didnt give up a 3rd round pick for a guy the pats got for a 4th?

id easily give up a 1st rounder to dwill

people dont realize our window is 3 years max for a superbowl, we lose woodson, driver, harris, tauscher, clifton---tho hte last 2 look like theyve left the building now

Woodson - move him to safety as he ages
Driver - Its not like were not stacked with WR's
Harris - Not like we haven't lost him, already.
Tauscher - TJ Lang to replace, and as you said, Taushcer is playing like crap
Clifton - We do have this guy named Bulaga that was taken in the first round...

That being said, gotta trade for SOMEONE, still. When your starting FB is outperforming the backup (now starting) RB, you've got issues.

I was at the game, Dominic Raiola kept talking **** to the fans. "F YOU WHITE TRASH MOTHERF'ERS!!!" and kept telling us to come down to the field. Completely unprovoked, basically the entire first half. After halftime he ran out of the tunnel talking **** again, unprovoked. Eventually a Lions staff member pulled him away and he stopped. I have found my new most hated player in the NFL. I have gone to probably 40 Packer games, and never seen anybody act like that. (1st row on the away sideline, so I would know if players are acting up) What a f'king dbag. Nick Collins was investigated last week after an altercation, there is no way it was as bad as this guy, he never shut up, he was ALWAYS near us talking ****. F that guy. Hopefully someone from the NFL saw it and takes action.

On another note, on the Packers Radio Network, they said there is no way the Bills are going to trade Lynch. Behind the scenes, they are asking for a starting offensive lineman, AND a 2nd round pick. That is asking way too much for an average RB. I would rather go after CJ Spiller than Lynch.

Morgan Burnett out for the season, great. Derrick Martin will take his place. Bigby can return in two weeks, if he's even healthy by then.

Lynch is only average because of the team he is on. Although I could be wrong there!!! Not that giving up what they want is good or anything.

lol Raiola is such a douchebag.

also, Charles Woodson is a god

I disagree pretty strongly. Woodson will regress, but he'll be able to be quite productive when he moves to safety, especially with his tackling ability. Harris might already be done, but he can be replaced. I predict Shields as the #2 corner next year. Tauscher and Clifton aren't what they used to be. Bulaga will replace Clifton (and probably be an upgrade) and Lang or a FA/Draft pick will take over for Tauscher.

Although we're stacked at receiver, Driver will be missed. We should be fine though. Jennings and Finley will be there probably 5+ years. I doubt we keep James Jones (free agent at the end of the year I think)...he'll get more money from some other team....but Nelson can step in and be quite serviceable.


Deangelo Williams is a great player, but he's simply not worth a first round pick to GB. He's definitely worth a first rounder to some teams that rely on the run-game. But we don't need a stud RB in our offense. Ryan Grant is a perfect fit for our offense...and we can get by without him this year.


On another note, I'm bummed Burnett is out for the season. The kid definitely has a bright future. Now we're left with Martin/Bush/Peprah until Bigby comes back.

woodson- even safetys hardly play past 38---i dont see woodson playing much longer. plus whens the last time the packers sucessfully drafted a starting CB? mike mckenzie and wasnt he like the 3rd cb outta the cbs taken that year (ahmad carrol?!)

driver- were stacked because because people play their roles. look what happened to the vikings last week when they tried to bump everyone up a roster spot, theyre still so outta sync

harris- he still gave up a full ypa less than williams last year, as well as williams played v detriot, if harris and woodson leave the CB spots w/in 2 years of each other we seriously have 0 #2 cb

tauscher- i am a detractor of lang i really dont think he can compete w/ starting DE's. he got thrashed in the playing time he got at the beginning of last seasons iirc.

id just rather realize our window than keep planning for the future

and w/ burnett out damn he was my favorite rookie, so promising, least hes only 21.

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What did I miss. Looks like the Pack played better and won

That ****ing sucks. I liked Burnett better than Bigby.

Not impressed by this team at all thus far. Gave away Chicago game, tried to give away Lions game, didn't destroy Buffalo..

Easy part of schedule is over. @Skins/Dolphins/Vikings/@Jets/Cowboys.. 3-2 would be ok for that stretch, 4-1 would be excellent.

3-2would be ok only by the default of the bears final 8 games, something like 7 playoff teams and detroit

if we go into week 10 </= 2 games behind chi (w/o tie breaker) ill consider that a + for us

MINx2, GB, DET, NYJ, NE, MIA, PHI, DET

Then I guess you missed what is going on. I suppose you are one to believe the same about the week prior. Against Chi. (locally anyway not ITT) all I have been hearing is Chi. got lucky GB played better, just look at the stats. If not for the few big plays and penalties. But of course this week the tune is, a win is a win is a win. Or GB played better. I tried telling people going into the Chi game that they didn't play well against Buf. and they were like, "they put up 34 points how did they not play well?"

By your comment you could fall under this category.

I thought the Packers played great in the second half of the Buffalo game. I agree with the rest, the Packers outplayed the Bears, but the Lions outplayed both teams. Lions should probably be 2-2.

No I'll say the Bears/Lions was one the Bears "should have lost" but the Pack did deserve to lose the Bears game the way they were playing. Yes they got called for penalties on many would-be game-changing plays but at the same time they probably could have been called for even more. Don't be fooled into thinking that the Lions really deserved a victory because of the stats....the Packers didn't run as many plays or hold on to the ball so long because they were scoring so fast. It was a "2 point game" because the Packers just grinded the clock out and went into kneel formation. They probably would have scored a TD on that drive if they wanted to. True the Lions did a lot to beat themselves and could have won the game, but they did run pretty hot to convert so many 3rd and longs, etc. etc.

I don't really see the similarity here. It's not like the Packers scored four touchdowns because the Lions kept getting called for PI. It's not as though they were constantly picking off Rodgers but getting flagged for it. I mean we fumbled a kickoff...it's not like the Lions didn't have opportunities...

Ok here is the same arguments the typical homer says. You act as though the penalties didn't effect the play. A hold occurs and Rodgers had time to throw and make a big play, if no holding it is a sack. If Zombo doesn't hit Cutler in the head, he maybe doesn't skew his pass right to Collins. In other words those so called game changing plays don't occur if there were no penalties anyway. That is why they are called. I can't assume the Pack was going to score on a drive. How many long drives did they have the 2 weeks prior to not get in the end zone. They are having problems closing. Not to mention they didn't score in the 2nd half, and other than a big play to Driver, it took good field position to score.

This isn't 'the Lions' deserve to win. This is, the Packers aren't close to the preseason hype.

I never said the Lions deserve to win because of stats. I am saying around me, people were saying the Packers deserved the Bears game because of the stats, but then I bring it up about Sun. and the Lions and they make some lame excuse. Like you can't have it both ways. I see a little excuse in your post as well. The whole statement says it all.

RG? Sitton is the best lineman on the team..

I'm not acting as though the penalties didn't effect the play. Obviously in many cases they did, not in all, but yeah. I never said the Packers deserved the Bears game, I'm just saying it was definitely a winnable game, just like week 4 was for the Lions. I don't know if it's something to be worried about, I mean let's not forget that the 09 Pack was not really a good team until the second half of the season. We'll know more in the coming weeks. IMO it's kind of stupid to buy into pre-season hype since it's almost always completely wrong. We know that the Pats and the Colts will probably be good, we know that the Packers will probably do well, we know that the Lions, Browns, Bills, and Rams will probably not. But no team is really "living up to their hype" right now. I mean what is the #1 team right now? Steelers? Ravens? Saints? It changes every week.

I'm not really making excuses, not sure where you're getting that but whatever. Pack beat themselves in Week 3. Maybe you could say the same for the Lions Week 4; the Lions did have to play out of their minds to come close. Whatever. They could be 1-3 for all I care. It's four games in. Obviously there are a few areas to take care of.

What you said is that the Packers "should have" lost. So the Packers should have lost but he Lions don't deserve to win. What is it?

Sitton won the RG spot in training camp IIRC. College (LG) was the guard with a solidified starting spot.

worse news- Lynch to seattle for 4th round+ conditional

i feel like randy moss all over again--surely a 3rd rd pick is worth a Deep playoff run--if we draft a 23 or 24yo RB it will really suck sinch lynch is 24.

RAAAAPE

I think the prior poster means, and I agree here, is that Colledge sucks.


But about Lynch, I just don't get it here.

my response is entirely predicated on waht you mean

It means I don't understand why GB continues to not want to make moves.

Hopefully going after DeAngelo? This came from a Denver Broncos forum, I am not sure where the original source came from.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE Ted Thompson , I will take back everything I ever said about you!

So do we root for the Bears next week?

so much this!!!