I can definitely buy this. And not sure Mike has the ego to refuse this with the right offensive mind brought in. The bigger battle is Mike accepting a role where this phantom new OC hands the reins to Rodgers a lot on the field and speeds up the game. Philosophically, for whatever reason, McCarthy has grown prone to slowing games down, largely in the last two years.

Good lord at that Murderers Row.

I won't argue that the Eagles getting a new HC who is effectively hiding a lot of similar weaknesses to us as the season is rolling on gets the jimmies rustled even harder.

I don't follow much NCAA, but does Art Briles have legit OC prospects in the NFL? Or is his stock rising too fast to leave the amateur ranks for anything less than an NFL HC position? I'm fairly sure that whenever McCarthy's tenure ends in Geebs, it'll be after someone auditions from within (which is understandable, I guess).

This. I don't think he's any lower than 12th and I'd probably rank him higher. He ****s up the stuff a lot of coaches do but by all accounts he handles all the behind the scenes stuff extremely well. Thompson has put a system in place and McCarthy clearly operates well within that system, regardless if it is obvious to us or not. (And when key players go down and the team doesn't miss a beat, as they have done so often the past few seasons, it is obvious.) Of course the other coaches are key to player development too, but at the end of the day it's McCarthy overseeing everything.

I actually think this is a very weird season to be complaining about him. In the past his commitment to the run was a legitimate gripe, but until Rodgers went down the entire offense looked great considering the key injuries they suffered, and most of that stemmed from the run game being a strength. He's also been better about 4th down this season, though there is always room to improve.

I dunno, I used to really not like him, and as much as I would love the Packers to score the next Harbaugh or Carroll or Trestman, McCarthy is clearly good enough for this team to be very competitive year in and year out, and that's more than you can say about most coaches in the league.

Rodgers is good enough to field a competitive team year in and year out.

Thank you.

yes this is consistently the argument I hear in favor of McCarthy. thing is, the argument painfully underestimates Rodgers' skill level.

remind yourselves how elite Aaron Rodgers is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_car...rating_leaders . think about standard deviations when you are looking at the list. His red zone:TD ratio is 125:3. that is a cherry picked stat of course. but his red zone:TD ratio is 125:3.

these are the Packers results for the last 5 years.
2008: 6-10 (year after Brett Favre leaves a talent loaded team)
2009: 11-5 (lost in wildcard)
2010: 10-6 (superbowl)
2011: 15-1 (bye, lost divisional playoffs)
2012: 11-5 (beat joe webb, lost divisional playoffs)

now I'm trying to think of a coach that wouldn't make your guy's 'top 12' . I'll refrain from the first and second year guys because we don't know enough about them (although I'd argue Chip, Chud and Trest are among the leagues best already)

Ron Rivera? Marvin Lewis? John Fox? Tom Coughlin? Jeff Fisher? Mike Munchak?

seriously, pick any of these guys and plug them in. are you guys seriously implying that we see a drop off in wins (say a game each year) Is the implication that an Aaron Rodgers led team are going to go 5-11, 10-6, 9-7, 14-2, and 10-6 and possibly miss the playoffs 4 out of 5 years? Has that ever even happened with an elite quarterback before?

PLEASE explain to me how your average to slightly below average nfl coach is worse than McCarthy.

and finally, this isn't 2008 anymore. The internet is causing the NFL to rapidly evolve. New coaches are generally pretty good now. Teams aren't hiring from the NFL ***** fraternity anymore. They are definitely getting a whole lot smarter. give them Rodgers and they are all generally going to be great (save for Schiano)

IMO, McCarthy is a good Monday-Saturday coach, but one of the worst Sunday coaches in the league. Take the red flag, play calling and clock management away from McCarthy for someone competent, we'd be in a much better spot.

That being said, Rodgers likely makes GB, at a minimum, a 10-6 team every year, regardless of who the HC is. Without him, we could legit be a 2-14 team every year. Is that because of coaching? Is that because of the skill of the rest of the players themselves? Is it that the QB position is just that important that nothing eles really matters anymore? Something else? I don't know for sure.

I mean, when I think of situations like this, I think of what happened in Indy. Jim Caldwell takes over a Peyton led team, gets to the SB their first year, just wins their division the next year... then with no Peyton only wins 2 games. Next year with luck, they go 11-5 with a new coach. Is that entirely coaching, or is it because a competent QB just matters that much, no matter how good of a coach you are?

Honestly, I think it's just that a QB means much more in this league, now, than anything else. If you have an elite QB, as an HC, all you need to worry about is not causing your teams losses with your decision making. McCarthy has cost GB games with his Sunday decision making, which is why I'd be in favor of firing him. We don't need a coach that's a super star. We just need one that can manage not to **** things up.

if you have an elite qb (arguably GOAT talent) whose only weakness is game management and play calling (like rodgers. not that lack of audibling skill is a 'weakness'. however that fact that manning /brady exist means that there is room for improvement in that aspect) , it is not optimal to pair him with a coach who is atrocious at game management and play calling.

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Is this a spot where no news is bad news for Randall Cobb?

Maybe I'm so used to players lying about their optimism for returning.

Cobb is on IR and not even eligible to return till like week 15 or something, I'm not too concerned about it right now. Might be a few weeks though

Any chance Sherrod might start instead of AIDShouse? That dude needs to get out of professional football stat, he is legit awful.

Still have to activate him from the PUP list, I think, so unlikely

Pretty sure they activated him a few weeks ago

Did they? *shrug*

Either way, dunno if he's even game ready yet, so... meh?

This will be their only chance to win a game without Rodgers. If they lose today they're officially eliminated. They have to win today, have Rodgers return for Thanksgiving and then win that game. GB needs a miracle.

30 minutes left in this trainwreck of a season. Christian Ponder is the best QB on the field and that's a phrase that will never be said again. Capers can't stop anybody. With Rodgers they're a 13-3 team, without him they're 3-13.

So many bandwagony posts like "welp season's over see you all next year!" On my Facebook. Makes me hate those people.

As soon as Matty Flynn came in the offense got instantly better. Who ever would have imagined that? Why Tolzien started this ballgame we'll never know.

He started because I started him in fantasy. As an owner I could make that call.

Flynn has done all he can bringing the team back from the brink of elimination. It's up to Capers now. All he has to do is stop Ponder and it's a 3 way tie for the division.

Potential tie coming.

There's something wrong with Flynn's arm but he's still better than Tolzien. If they somehow do beat Detroit on Thanksgiving they're right back in the driver's seat. Detroit and Chicago don't seem to want this division title either. I have faith in Flynn but not Capers and McCarthy. Capers did nothing today except let AP and Gerhart run all over them.

Oh look, competent QB that knows the system enters game and offense clicks. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!?

Should have

1) not handed off to lacy on first and second down from goal to go in OT.
2) Gone for it on 4th down

Also /facepalm on running the ball with 0 timeouts and less than 2 minutes to play down 3. I mean, seriously?

Reasons to fire Capers:

Ponder was the best QB in the game
Can't stop Toby freaking Gerhart in OT
Countless 6/7 man blitzes with no pressure
Ponder was the best QB in the game

Reasons not to fire Capers:

Didn't lose!

The fact that our D made Ponder look like Godgers is enough reason alone to warrant firing.