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09-20-2011 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
Forgive my total ignorance, but is Sherrod still injured? And does he see much playing time when healthy?
No, Sherrod should be healthy. No, he is pretty terrible, right now.
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09-20-2011 , 12:33 PM
sherrod is healthy the packers just dont want him on the field
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09-20-2011 , 01:45 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing sharper get a chance... He's not that far removed from being a beast.
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09-20-2011 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DCIAce
Wouldn't mind seeing sharper get a chance... He's not that far removed from being a beast.
There is a good reason he's not on any team, right now, IMO.
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09-20-2011 , 02:50 PM
he sucked when he was a packer.

woulda made a great centerfielder, but thats about as far as it goes.
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09-20-2011 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
he sucked when he was a packer.

woulda made a great centerfielder, but thats about as far as it goes.
wat
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09-20-2011 , 05:06 PM
he is the most overrated packer in the history of the packers?

he took terrible angles. he was constantly out of position. he picked up a ton of garbage interceptions when games were out of reach and made the probowl every year because of it. doubt any packer has every made me as livid as he has. i thanked god when he left to the vikings. it was better than christmas.
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09-20-2011 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
he is the most overrated packer in the history of the packers?

he took terrible angles. he was constantly out of position. he picked up a ton of garbage interceptions when games were out of reach and made the probowl every year because of it. doubt any packer has every made me as livid as he has. i thanked god when he left to the vikings. it was better than christmas.
I have 3 letters for you. HOF
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09-20-2011 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker is Rigged
I have 3 letters for you. HOF
maybe. he is well regarded amongst people who never seemed to watch him play. i certainly dont think hes a lock tho.

there, i googled darren sharper overrated for you
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB....php?p=8193881

one of my favorite facebook groups
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6329484798

HA!
http://losersbracket.com/2011/09/nic...en-sharper-no/
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3. 4th and 26. If I ever see Darren Sharper in the Green and Gold I may go into convulsions. 4th and 26 was Darren Sharpers’ fault and I will never forget it. He was 52 yards off the ball looking to cherry pick an interception instead of closing the zone on “The People’s Champ” Freddy Mitchell. NO way, NO how, do i want to see this happen again. I can live with Charlie and Morgan Burnett’s growing pains. What I can’t take is a safety playing for glory rather than doing his job.

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09-20-2011 , 05:49 PM
Can't believe no one wants to give one of the hardest hitting safeties in the league a shot.
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09-20-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
maybe. he is well regarded amongst people who never seemed to watch him play. i certainly dont think hes a lock tho.

there, i googled darren sharper overrated for you
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB....php?p=8193881

one of my favorite facebook groups
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6329484798

HA!
http://losersbracket.com/2011/09/nic...en-sharper-no/
Because some guys said it was Sharper's fault? Nick Barnett admitted it was his fault, instead of going deep like he was supposed to, he went to cover the TE in the flat like a ******. Mike Sherman said the same thing. Go watch it again.
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09-20-2011 , 06:32 PM
my problem isnt with 4th and 26. its the fact that sharper is overrated as hell and blew a ton of plays as a packer. i dont need to watch it again to see who was responsible, because i witnessed plenty of other plays he blew taking terrible angles and 'ball hawkin'.
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09-20-2011 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker is Rigged
Because some guys said it was Sharper's fault? Nick Barnett admitted it was his fault, instead of going deep like he was supposed to, he went to cover the TE in the flat like a ******. Mike Sherman said the same thing. Go watch it again.
It's really not important. Sharper still sucks. He's the prime example of why NFL box scores are completely useless and misleading. ZOMG HE GOT AN INTERCEPTION HE'S SO GOOD.

He's beyond overrated. In '10, he appeared in 8 games, starting one, and finished with a grand total of 266 snaps. He made 2nd team all pro.
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09-20-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tweedybirdd
It's really not important. Sharper still sucks. He's the prime example of why NFL box scores are completely useless and misleading. ZOMG HE GOT AN INTERCEPTION HE'S SO GOOD.

He's beyond overrated. In '10, he appeared in 8 games, starting one, and finished with a grand total of 266 snaps. He made 2nd team all pro.
Who cares what he did in 2010? I am talking about his career, he is a lock for the HOF and one of the best ball hawks in history. You are crazy if you don't think he's an upgrade to MD Jennings.
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09-20-2011 , 09:58 PM
I agree that Sharper was always overrated, but he is not a worthless pos. I think he would fill in pretty well for the rest of the year.

I would rather have Sharper and still have Peprah in my back pocket if he doesn't work out than have Peprah and a question mark if he can't do the job. Plus, if they don't bring someone else in, we would be one injury in the secondary away from Jarret Bush seeing significant playing time. I am sure we can all rally behind keeping that from happening.
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09-21-2011 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Golden_Rhino
I agree that Sharper was always overrated, but he is not a worthless pos. I think he would fill in pretty well for the rest of the year.

I would rather have Sharper and still have Peprah in my back pocket if he doesn't work out than have Peprah and a question mark if he can't do the job. Plus, if they don't bring someone else in, we would be one injury in the secondary away from Jarret Bush seeing significant playing time. I am sure we can all rally behind keeping that from happening.
I'm willing to give Bush a shot...

oh god, what did I just say?

Seriously, though, I'd take bush > sharper, right now.
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09-21-2011 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nofear3838
I'm willing to give Bush a shot...

oh god, what did I just say?

Seriously, though, I'd take bush > sharper, right now.
We are no longer on speaking terms.
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09-21-2011 , 04:38 PM
i think people forget all the talk about woodson becoming a safety towards the end of his career.

IMO its more likely to see woodson slide into the safety role should peprah/burnett go down and start tramon/shields, and have woodson bracket whoever the nickels on alot more than bringing in a new system.

Sharper hasnt played in any "3-4" system and would be lost in the playbook if he came in now, maybe hed make an impact towards the playoffs, but were deep enough at corner to move woodson to safety and let davon house play nickel
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09-21-2011 , 04:42 PM
i just read somewhere that capers throws out half the playbook when woodsen is injured. im assuming that moving him to safety is similar.
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09-21-2011 , 05:20 PM
If you think Darren Sharper deserves to be in the hall of fame, you really haven't watched a lot of Darren Sharper football games. He got better in MIN and NO (a lot more physical imo) but for a while all he did was take terrible angles, miss tackles, and get garbage INT's. Bleh.

That being said, I think he's better than most (if not all) our alternatives so I'm not really against it. Putting Bush on the field almost every snap gives me a nosebleed just thinking about it.
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09-21-2011 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
i just read somewhere that capers throws out half the playbook when woodsen is injured. im assuming that moving him to safety is similar.
they made a whole package for him @ safety last year. hes a rover, slot defender/safety
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09-21-2011 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mjkidd
Am I correct in saying that the Packers are quite unusual in that usually the nickel back is the one who lines up in the slot?
I think you may have worded that incorrectly. They Packers are unique in that one of their top 2 CBs (in our case, Wood) always lines up in the slot when they go with a 3 CB defense. Most teams don't' automatically do that, but GB does.

We are also very unique in how we will play a 2-4-5 a huge amount of the time (75% last year) even if the opposing team is in a regular offensive set (say, 2WR, 1 TE, 1 HB, 1FB). We play 2 DL as defensive tackles (Raji and whomever), our two OLBs play as stand up DEs, the two outside CBs line up on their men (Tramon and Shields), and Woodson will line up in different places depending on the offensive formation. Against this hypothetical, he'd be lined up like a LB about 5 yards off of the TE. We can get away with playing this way because we can still stop the run, but most teams couldn't play like this because they'd get run all over.

So the Packers are extremely unusual in several ways. For one, I can't think of another team that routinely puts only two DL on the field in 1st or 2nd down situations. Beyond that, I can't think of another team that consistently has 3 CBs on the field with one of them always lined up inside either on a slot WR or a TE. Frankly, there aren't a lot of CBs in the league right now that can physically match up with TEs one on one in coverage throughout a game. Also, there are basically no CBs that can play the run the way Woodson does which allows us to get away with playing so small up front.

A fun thing to do when watching the Packers on defense is to count the number of DL on the field (generally just 2) and look to see where Wood is at. If you want a clinic on how to be a complete modern day football player, just focus on Woodson every single snap.
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09-21-2011 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lifes3ps
they made a whole package for him @ safety last year. hes a rover, slot defender/safety
When did this happen?

Swapping out a safety and replacing him with Woodson dramatically changes how the defense lines up.

Wood isn't a rover, slot defender/safety. In our normal defense, he isn't a safety at all. He's always up on the LOS, and we always have two guys playing a safety role on the back end. He also isn't a rover because he lines up on specific people (either slot WR or TE). He's an inside CB who can guard TEs and WRs who is also a great threat to blitz. He's also great in run support.

Still, he's basically a slot CB on HGH, steroids, and tiger blood. He's certainly not a safety or a rover. Or entire defensive scheme would change if he played safety or rover. He'd have to play 10-15 yards off the LOS in a zone as a safety or rover a large chunk of the time.

Last edited by Aytumious; 09-21-2011 at 10:58 PM.
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09-21-2011 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
he is the most overrated packer in the history of the packers?

he took terrible angles. he was constantly out of position. he picked up a ton of garbage interceptions when games were out of reach and made the probowl every year because of it. doubt any packer has every made me as livid as he has. i thanked god when he left to the vikings. it was better than christmas.
My name is areaman and I don't understand football.

You probably also hate home run hitters that strike out a lot.

True HOF safeties never **** up. Like Polamalu in the SB last year.
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09-21-2011 , 11:01 PM
Yes I meant to say "isn't it unusual that GB has their nickel back NOT line up in the slot?"
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