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04-18-2010 , 04:35 PM
that was a ball.

thread will prob be quiet until the wings are done.
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04-18-2010 , 05:12 PM
wtf happened to Maxines K rate?
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04-18-2010 , 06:23 PM
come on scottty
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04-18-2010 , 06:24 PM
i lol'ed pretty hard when avila threw out figgins earlier. guess it's that crappy d thats getting laird all that PT
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04-18-2010 , 06:25 PM
gawd
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04-18-2010 , 06:28 PM
getting hits with risp might be a decent idea
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04-18-2010 , 06:30 PM
AJAXXXXX
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04-18-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
i lol'ed pretty hard when avila threw out figgins earlier. guess it's that crappy d thats getting laird all that PT
here's your sign....
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04-18-2010 , 06:49 PM
surprised you saw that post from the friendly confines of lolaird's lap
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04-18-2010 , 06:50 PM
Alex hasn't been hitting well either.
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04-18-2010 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
i'm a ******
got it. I mean, ffs.
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04-18-2010 , 07:02 PM
says the married guy
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04-18-2010 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
says the married guy
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04-18-2010 , 07:12 PM
[ ] sweep

ike, please explain to us why you favor laird > avila.
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04-18-2010 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
[ ] sweep

ike, please explain to us why you favor laird > avila.
lairds offense + defense > avilas offense + defense
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04-18-2010 , 07:32 PM
lol ike no it isn't. i mean it really ****ing isn't. Laird defense has been a complete ****ing abortion this season. His defense might even be worse than his .100 batting avg.
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04-18-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lairds offense
lol, it never existed and never will exist
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04-18-2010 , 07:48 PM
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lol ike no it isn't. i mean it really ****ing isn't. Laird defense has been a complete ****ing abortion this season. His defense might even be worse than his .100 batting avg.


I'll concede that Laird has had a ****ty start to the season with some stupid errors/mistakes. However, Laird has been a good defensive catcher since he's come up into the ML and is coming off of a gold glove caliber season. He'll turn it around.

Additionally, Laird's career wOBA is .225 and Avila's wOBA is at .235. That translates to ~2-3 runs per 150 games. So Laird's defense doesn't have to be much better. If you don't think that Laird's defense is 3 runs /150 better than Avila's, then I dont know what to do other than laugh at you.
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04-18-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Additionally, Laird's career wOBA is .225 and Avila's wOBA is at .235. That translates to ~2-3 runs per 150 games. So Laird's defense doesn't have to be much better. If you don't think that Laird's defense is 3 runs /150 better than Avila's, then I dont know what to do other than laugh at you.
Avila's wOBA through today is .252. Last year it was ~.400. Laird throughout his career is .296. Obviously Avila has had a small sample size, but @ .381, he should be seeing more PT, right?
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04-18-2010 , 08:38 PM
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Avila's wOBA through today is .252. Last year it was ~.400. Laird throughout his career is .296. Obviously Avila has had a small sample size, but @ .381, he should be seeing more PT, right?
The chances that Avila's true wOBA is ~.380 are approximately 0. That would make him as good a hitter as Evan Longoria, which just isn't true. Avila's 2009 numbers were inflated by a 26% HR/FB rate. His current HR/FB rate is 22%. To give you an idea of how that compares, Ryan Howard had a 25% HR/FB rate and Miggy had a 18% HR/FB rate last year.

Statistical projections put Avila's true wOBA is probably around .290-.330. If his wOBA truly was .381, he should be getting more playing time. However, that would make him the second best hitting catcher in the league, which is just not true. The difference between his expected offense and Laird's expected offense simply isn't worth more than 8-13 runs, which is what Laird is good for over a season behind the plate according to the best stats on catcher's d we have.
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04-19-2010 , 01:26 AM
Is anyone worried about Austin Jackson?

The man is striking out 30% of the time, but his BABIP is a HOLY HELL .452. I know the man is fast or whatnot, but good god. Eventually that K rate is going to get him and he'll slump hard.

The decision to let Polanco go for Sizemore is looking real good though. While Polanco is running hot in the NL, Sizemore's wOBA is better than Polanco's career. The defense seems comparable, although Sizemore will never be as consistent as Polanco. If Sizemore progresses some at the plate like he should, then it's looking like a good move.
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04-19-2010 , 08:37 AM
I think we're all waiting for an AJAX slump. We knew he was going to strike out a lot though. Can't stress over it too hard since he is our guy in CF and you have to let him grind it out.
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04-19-2010 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The chances that Avila's true wOBA is ~.380 are approximately 0. That would make him as good a hitter as Evan Longoria, which just isn't true. Avila's 2009 numbers were inflated by a 26% HR/FB rate. His current HR/FB rate is 22%. To give you an idea of how that compares, Ryan Howard had a 25% HR/FB rate and Miggy had a 18% HR/FB rate last year.

Statistical projections put Avila's true wOBA is probably around .290-.330. If his wOBA truly was .381, he should be getting more playing time. However, that would make him the second best hitting catcher in the league, which is just not true. The difference between his expected offense and Laird's expected offense simply isn't worth more than 8-13 runs, which is what Laird is good for over a season behind the plate according to the best stats on catcher's d we have.
I am not going to have any clue as to how these projections work, but you're saying that Avila's stats are skewed by the # of fly balls that are HRs?
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04-19-2010 , 11:42 AM
I'd like to see AJax/Sizemore hit a few ****ing homeruns man. 12 games and 0 HRs combined.

That K rate is Mark Reynolds esque isn't it?
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04-19-2010 , 12:31 PM
so awesome that nate robertson is absolutly tearing it up for the marlins thus far and our 4/5 are complete abortions.
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