My first flag went into the fireplace December 16th, 2013 when Justin Tucker hit a 61yd FG on MNF. **** that guy

Jesus Christ. Does DC’s brain stop working at the end of close games? Because it sure feels like it.

Holy **** what a loss. SMH

I'm always amazed at the amount of dumbshit coaching decisions in this league.

We are a still a kicker and a couple defensive.players away from being good.

90% equity twice

That 3rd and 1 up 10 in the 4th was a killer. Just run the ball

Kicking a FG to go from up one score to up one score is so bad

Just fire Campbell now. Just a dumb jock

3rd and 1 100%. You have nothing but faith in your o line. Just run it.

4th and 4 vs. short punt vs. 53 yard FG - I dunno, would be interested to know what the math says. FG was my least favorite option, but only up 3 I understand why you don't want to punt when there's a decent chance you only gain 20-25 yards and a FG sends you to OT.

Edit, just found this on google/no idea how accurate it is, but this 4th down decision calculator says go for the 1st down, gives you 85% chance of winning, vs. 80% each for punting and trying the FG: https://rbsdm.com/stats/fourth_calculator/

I mean the whole field with a minute to go? In my head it’s go for it>punt>fg attempt.

Yeah FG is clearly the worst option

What a dick punch loss

Does the 80% chance of a win by attempting the FG assume an NFL average kicker? I don't think there's any way it's that high given how shitty Seibert is. I'm always amazed that NFL teams looking for a kicker don't try out like 40 different guys. This guy has been here a while now and we know he can't hit from 50+. It's not like he's a normally reliable kicker and this was just a bad game. All the reporters who were at training camp say he's unusually wild from long distance. There's a guy on the practice squad right now that I've never heard of but there has to at least be a decent chance he's on the roster for the next game.

It's one thing to lose on a missed FG. It's another thing to lose on a missed FG that no coach in their right mind should actually send the guy out there for.

My thoughts on the game after sobering up:

Not having Deandre Swift for most of the game sucked. Williams is an OK back but the splash plays were missing.
Goff mostly played OK today. He did a decent job avoiding pressure.
Okudah emerging as a decent CB is huge for this team.
Tracy Walker may have torn his achilles. That's going to suck.
Most disappointing for me was the pass rush. It wasn't terrible, but Cousins still had too much time in critical situations today. Losing John Cominsky may have hurt more than we realized.
Run defense was unusually bad. I know Cook can hurt you but too many of those runs he wasn't even challenged on. They need more true playmakers on defense.
I'd say they are still about on the expected rebuild pace right now. Two close losses to decent teams and a solid win against a bad one, and they have a young roster that's been bitten by injuries. It's hard to be too mad about the start so far. They have additional draft capital going into the offseason still. Competing for a playoff spot in year 3 was always the target when the rebuild began. They look like a team that's on schedule to do that at least.

Coaching staff let the lions down. After missing the first field goal, the lions go the whole game not trusting their kicker, then decide to throw him out there with a minute left to try a 55 yarder.

Detroit (other then Oruwariye) played well enough to win by 7+ points.

It's a breath of fresh air to hear Campbell admit he ****ed up the decision, rather than make up some bullshit after the fact on why it was the right thing to do. Given the amount of dumb coaching decisions made in this league I'm willing to excuse an occasional mistake, and I have more confidence in a coach who can admit they made a mistake rather than actually thinking their dumb decision was smart.

It's good to admit it

It's bad it's happening again in year 2


It's just infuriating because it is so inconsistent.

We are gonna bite faces off and go for it on 4th down every ****ing time all game (correctly)

And then 4th and 4 to ice the game

Tries a 50+ FG with a trash kicker to go from a one score game to a one score game

Like even if he makes the FG we still lose.

Dear god this defense is bad.

Drunk Thoughts: defense is a total tire fire. All this Aaron Glenn head coach talk can **** off. The problems feel as much schematic as personnel. That ****ing QB rollout TE out route worked every ****ing time.

Also drunk Thoughts wtf at that 3rd down do over. Sorry we are giving them another shot at it I guess. Another wierdly refd game.

Sure it was weird but half the Seattle team didn't even move

Regardless. It was 3rd and 15+

Just get off the ****ing field one time.

Since 2014 we have watched this team struggle to generate any sort of pass rush. Between Suh leaving and Ansah missing tons of time with injury, there was no pressure. For years the Caldwell/Patricia schemes insisted on rushing 4 defenders. Sometimes the secondary held and it worked. Other games it was ridiculous as QBs were saying they would go through their progressions 3 times in a clean pocket.

Now we've flipped it. They are constantly rushing 5 or 6, sometimes more. It's rushing throws, but rarely getting home. And the receivers have plenty of space to make the catch & run. Also they get gashed in the run game and on bootlegs. As much as I hated the Patricia defense it at least forced the QB to make the right decision and a good throw. I feel like a high school offense could beat this team now. Overall the rebuild feels on schedule, but they need to at least install a workable defensive scheme, even if their personnel isn't where they want it yet.

Hypothetical question - Do we agree Penei Sewell is a stud? Of course, he is one of the more exciting players to watch on this team

BUT..... would this current Lions team be better off had we taken Micah Parsons? It appears a healthy Hutch can be a disrupter but he is gonna need a lot of help

Yeah, you could play the hypothetical what if game on a lot of draft picks. It's hard to know if they win more games with a decent backup grade tackle (maybe they keep Tyrell Crosby?) paired with an elite OLB.

My bigger concern was actually the Jamo pick. My initial reaction was that it was a luxury pick. We knew from the back half of last season that the offense might be decent even with a bunch of castoffs and a 3rd rd. rookie at WR. The defense was always a problem. Yeah they had some slightly better games but that was when we were using a run heavy time of possession offense to force low scoring games.

Jamo will likely be pretty damned good, and it makes Chark expendable at the end of this 1 year prove it deal. But they definitely passed on some defensive starters to draft a guy who they knew wasn't even going to play the first half of the season.

It may still have been the right move long term, but it definitely hurt them in the now. I never really expected them to be competitive this year. It would be nice, but for a team starting at rock bottom as they did in 2021, I really see the 3rd season as the scheduled target for playoff contention.

I'm a bit hopeful that the defensive problems are fixable. They have some personnel issues, but maybe they can work up a more effective scheme to get through this season and into next.

I get wanting to be aggressive on defense but if you're too predictable with it you make it way too easy for offenses to scheme around you because you will be leaving too much of the field uncovered. Under Patricia they ran a lot of cover 3 zone rushing 3 or 4. The pass rush rarely got home but it at least forced QBs to go through their reads and make a good throw. I'd almost rather see them go back to that with some occasional blitzes then the full on crash down and leave half the field open if the blitz doesn't get home immediately.

Jamo was the right pick

It wasn't the right pick for this season. But the plan is in 2024 when he's lights out and we've addressed the defense a bit in the next two drafts.

Just sucks being in THIS spot forever. Never get the payoff

Fully expecting the D to be better and we score 10 points.

The **** was that?

The start of a beautiful tank. We gonna draft victor wembanyama and kill the league.

Cross-post.

Nailed that


Good times. 1-4

We really are going to finish 2-15 here

It's astounding how it's never our time.

See you next year.

I'm willing to look past the occasional game where everything goes wrong. And I mean everything. I guess Jack Fox punted pretty well. So we're back to that, the punter is now our MVP.

Belichick is the GOAT coach and he showed why. We knew this team was flawed. We knew they probably had weaknesses that for one reason another weren't getting exploited all season, and Belichick hit every single one.

Goff still sucks under pressure. His pocket presence is garbage. Yes, the O-Line played like complete ass today but Goff did them no favors. Good QB's can step up and make a quick throw. Goff is incapable of that. There will be games like this, and it's why LA shipped him away with 2 1st rounders and a 3rd for Stafford. He can be good in the right conditions, but when things go south this is what you get.

The D-Line performance has been the biggest disappointment for me this summer. Hutchinson occasionally makes some nice pass rush moves but QB's are dodging him easily. I am not sure what's wrong there. He needs to be better. However no one else is doing jack ****. I guess they did OK in some run defense spots at times today. But 0 QB hits is unacceptable, as is losing containment and letting him buy time with his legs.

I am not saying Dan Campbell's 4th down aggression is wrong, and may be supported by all the analytics. But when you saw how bad this offense was playing and struggling to pick up even a few yards all while the game was very low scoring, I don't think it's a mistake to just turn it into a field goal contest. Your kicker just won one of those games for the Bears last week. Sure, the knock is he can't hit from deep, but this is the NFL, kickers should be able to hit from 50. JFC in high school we had no problems putting our kicker on the field from 50 and in (his in game record was 49, but he had the leg to hit from longer, not sure if he went on to play college ball or stuck with soccer. Good kicker tho).

The game is 6-0 and it's 4th and 9 on your opponents 33. Just kick the damn ball. Instead you have the worst possible outcome, bordering on butt fumble levels of hilarity.

I'm willing to ride with this team the rest of the season. I honestly DGAF if they win another game. I just want them to look competitive and show improvement. But too many more games like this and you have to seriously question if Campbell/Holmes are the right guys to build a winner.