Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off

05-06-2024 , 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jawhoo
It'll be very interesting to see how it plays out with Decker. He's only signed through this year, during which he will be 31. He's definitely earned at least one more big contract - will it be with Detroit? He's the longest tenured Lion and has publicly said he wants to play his whole career here. Will Brad stick to strictly business and cut him for a rookie on a rookie deal? Would Decker take a short extension and retire at 32 or 33? Can the Lions pay Sewell as the highest paid lineman in the league and also give Decker an above-average 4 year contract?

We didn't sign Sewell to a billion dollars to play RT
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
05-06-2024 , 12:40 PM
Long write up on the future of the oline - TLDR: who the **** knows after 2024, but damn sure better hope at least 2 of the 3 of Sorsdal, Mahogany and Manu work out!

Which, FWIW, I think is realistic to hope for given the "in Holmes we trust" sentiment.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
05-09-2024 , 12:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jawhoo
Lastly, @Koss per your comments on not addressing oline, it seems like almost every draft analysis calls out that getting Mahogany in the 6th round was a steal; I've read over and over that people had a top-100 3rd/4th round grade on him. Now, just because most draft analysts like a guy that doesn't mean that every NFL GM kept making a mistake over and over not taking a guy, only time will tell.
Draft analysts definitely succumb to group think. So while all the analysts may think it's a steal, it's mostly just a single hivemind thing and it's clear the NFL GMs who are more immune to that all felt he's a 6th rounder. Maybe it's just the Beau Benzschawel vibes I'm getting. From like the 3rd round on in 2018 he kept being shows as Mel Kiper's best available and then went undrafted and never got off the practice squad. I'm obviously not writing Mahogany's career off at this point, but I think it's more likely than not that none of the O-Line players they drafted are ever quality starters.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
We didn't sign Sewell to a billion dollars to play RT
His future is at left tackle, I agree with this. But as long as Decker is good to go and Brad can work him in under the cap, I'd rather have Decker at LT with overpaid Sewell at RT, than Sewell LT and some liability at RT. Brad has some tough cap decisions coming up and Decker is clearly one of them. The problem is good tackles require you to either have a top 20 (and realistically more like top 15) pick, a big cap hit, or you strike gold later in the draft.

I still think this was a rare deep O-Line draft where good tackles were falling into the 20s and maybe you could've traded up for OT and picked up Rakestraw in the 2nd too and hit both needs. I know I'm usually team lol draft for need, it just felt like this was maybe a rare opportunity to get a good player at OT later in the draft than they usually fall. Although maybe Brad is already looking ahead to next years class when deciding where to reach up for certain positions.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
05-09-2024 , 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jawhoo
Long write up on the future of the oline - TLDR: who the **** knows after 2024, but damn sure better hope at least 2 of the 3 of Sorsdal, Mahogany and Manu work out!

Which, FWIW, I think is realistic to hope for given the "in Holmes we trust" sentiment.
I think it's more likely 0 of 3 work out than 2 of 3. If I'm right, then Brad will either have to go FA shopping to keep the O-Line strong or hit it hard in next years draft.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
05-09-2024 , 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koss
I still think this was a rare deep O-Line draft where good tackles were falling into the 20s and maybe you could've traded up for OT and picked up Rakestraw in the 2nd too and hit both needs. I know I'm usually team lol draft for need, it just felt like this was maybe a rare opportunity to get a good player at OT later in the draft than they usually fall.
Interesting you think that, I thought the OL class was weaker than usual. After Alt and Fuaga, meh. And yeah, I wouldn't have taken either Latham or Fashanu.

The tackles that fell into the 20s were Jordan Morgan and Tyler Guyton. Morgan is probably a guard in the NFL and Guyton is something of a project. Either is fine, but neither a slam dunk. After that you have to go to the end of the 2nd round for the next guy.

One thing we can all agree on though is that the front office is going to be watching every transaction out there and if a guy gets cut that they like they'll go get him.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 12:07 AM
My uneducated impression is backup o-line play is abysmal throughout the league to the point it's almost impossible that a C- backup would hit the wire; would love to be wrong though!

The Lions podcast covered the open day of rookie mini camp, he spends a couple minutes on each rookie (including short updates on several undrafted guys). The Manu update is enough to get a kool aid drinker salivating, describing how he looked raw with terrible technique and hands placement, Haley had him work on a drill on hand placement, then he came out and showed perfect hand placement and absolutely obliterated a guy ("like a bulldozer pushing a garbage can"). Fun listen anyway.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jawhoo
who the **** knows after 2024, but damn sure better hope at least 2 of the 3 of Sorsdal, Mahogany and Manu work out!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koss
I think it's more likely 0 of 3 work out than 2 of 3.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jawhoo
The Manu update is enough to get a kool aid drinker salivating, describing how he looked raw with terrible technique and hands placement, Haley had him work on a drill on hand placement, then he came out and showed perfect hand placement and absolutely obliterated a guy ("like a bulldozer pushing a garbage can").
Maybe Manu works out, maybe he doesn't but damn it sure looks like a great gamble for the Lions as his upside is immense.

Had he played HS at Mater Dei or St John Bosco and received pro level coaching at Alabama or Michigan you probably have a 1rst round pick. Worth a 2025 3rd round pick? I dunno, but seems like a great place to roll the dice.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 09:27 AM
Ourlads 2024 depth chart (grain of salt obv since camp hasn't even started yet) has Davis/Arnold as starting CBs and Branch as NB

Which leaves Mosely, Robertson and Rakestraw as backups. I can't remember ever having 3 backup DBs that actually belonged on an NFL roster and weren't street FA or PS level players.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boscoboy
Ourlads 2024 depth chart (grain of salt obv since camp hasn't even started yet) has Davis/Arnold as starting CBs and Branch as NB

Which leaves Mosely, Robertson and Rakestraw as backups. I can't remember ever having 3 backup DBs that actually belonged on an NFL roster and weren't street FA or PS level players.
Lol it's hard not to be hyped af for this season. (Mostly copying this which I posted on reddit the other day: ) Last year we had a top-5 team because of an amazing offense (including OC) and a good-enough defense with great DL production from a couple of bright spots, decent LBs and a very suspect secondary, particularly CB. We've now brought in four CBs in Davis (trade), Robertson (FA), Arnold and Rakestraw; and, who knows, maybe Mosely can contribute after losing all last season to injury. We may go from having one of the very worst position groups in the league in our CBs last year, to being above-average at the position in '24. We also added one great piece to the DL in Reader. Meanwhile we brought back every single piece on offense (including OC) except for one guard, and we have a one-year rental on a pro-bowler to replace that position. Holy cow.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 06:38 PM
Goff extension done. That should be everyone, right?

Totally fine with the Manu flier. Nothing wrong with splurging on a lottery ticket here and there and he has all the potential in the world.

I don't buy that Arnold is going to begin the season as a starter, but he'll be in the rotation right away and may get there by the end.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote
Yesterday , 09:16 PM
I was wondering if the Goff extensions was going to happen. It's hard to argue with his results but he does have his weaknesses. I like where this team is. I don't have a problem with the Manu gamble, I'm just more concerned with oline depth overall. It could get ugly if injuries pile up, and Goffs weaknesses come out when the blocking struggles.

I expect Arnold to start the preseason as a second teamer but will have an opportunity to earn a starting CB role by week 1. I'm also fine with where this team is if even first round picks aren't starters right away.
Detroit Lions: We're Going to Bite a Kneecap Off Quote

      
m