Devin Bush is projected in the top 12 everywhere as well. Unlike Gary he was actually a baller in college. Not sure if hes the right fit for our scheme but he can play.

Allen/Sweat/White/Oliver/Bush/Burns. Give me one of them in the 1st round and I'm geeked. Only guys i dont want are Gary/Hock.

If we must go tight end either trading up a bit for Fant or drafting Irv Smith is a fine option.

It’s gotta be Hockenson.

And some scrub OG with the 2nd pick

The more I watch of Hockenson and Fant, I'm just not seeing top 10, or even top 20 pick talent there. Maybe I have too high of expectations for what a first round pass catcher should be able to do, but I just don't see it from them. I want my TE's to be monsters that tower over defenders, make tough catches in coverage, and clear open running lanes. When I look at those two, I just see your typical big bodied receivers, but nothing that really jumps out and says this guy is going to lead my team in catches in TD's. Ebron and Pettigrew were both OK TE's, but for where they were picked, and who we passed up to get them, they were pretty awful picks.

I am slightly warming up to the trade back idea. The offense was really bad this year, and I'm not sure Danny Amendola, Oday Aboushi, Jesse James, and CJ Andersen are the fixes. If they can move back, pass on a potentially elite defender, but pick up solid starting CB, OG, and WR in rds 1-3, then I can't hate on that too much.

But I still think I would rather see a team built on the D-Line, and that's where the pro-bowl potential is in this draft. Quinn seems to like going line heavy in draft and free agency, a strategy I don't disagree with, even if the results haven't 100% panned out. For all the accolades thrown at Matt Nagy for being some genius master strategy coach, it was really Akiem Hicks and Khalil Mack coming off the edge that got them within a field goal of the 2nd round. The Lions could follow that same formula by pairing Flowers with one of Yellowfever's picks. And for some the criticisms Stafford has been getting, I would snap take him over Trubisky right now.

"We mentioned Detroit as a team that could surprise by taking a quarterback, and this was passed along to me today: GM Bob Quinn and college scouting director Lance Newmark traveled to Shreveport for the Independence Bowl in December to live scout Duke and Temple, and Daniel Jones threw for 423 yards and six touchdowns that day. Add that to the fact that the Lions sat down with Kyler Murray at the combine, and they’ve at least done their homework on the top guys. (I still think they’d most like to trade down, but this is all interesting.)"

If we take a qb id rather just take Haskins then trade down for Jones.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/panther...222933266.html

The QB thing is weird to me. From a strict team building thing I get it. Quinn definitely doesn't plan on being in the top 10 anytime soon. Yeah yeah, this is supposedly a weak class, but if you see your guy in the class, who cares. But drafting a 1st rd QB is always a risk. For every Peyton Manning there is a Ryan Leaf. There were 5 in the first round last year, and only Baker, and maybe Lamar Jackson, seem to have fully locked in starting jobs.

Taking a QB now is another luxury pick. This team was not competitive last year, and drafting a QB now won't do anything to fix that. Stafford's contract has them stuck for a couple more seasons. You can either try to get better next season, or try to get better in 2 or 3 seasons, and I think most would agree that pass rushers are less risk than QB's.

My gut tells me that Quinn is locked in on Hockenson. I don't know why, this is based on nothing, but I have this feeling that's where he's going, either at 8, or in a trade back if he thinks he can do it. I still want Devin White. I think they've done a lot to fix the D-Line, and now LB is a very under-rated need. Assuming Allen is gone, White is my next guy up and a really solid complement to Jarrad Davis. I'm also just as happy going D-Line heavy and making it elite with Sweat or Burns. You end up with some guys losing their starting jobs while holes elsewhere go unfilled, but I'm willing to take that in order to have a top tier pass rush.

Yeah thinking more about it I think hes trying to put out the QB interest out to get another team to trade up with us.

I've been reading more scouting reports on Burns. I think he could be a star. He just turned 21 a couple days ago. Not only was he really productive but he won all his matchups vs the big time tackles he faced like J.Taylor the 1st or 2nd best tackle in the draft. Hes long and fast. The knack on him is his weight. https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sport...152500189.html Yahoos doing some pretty solid scouting reports this year if anyones interested.

I've read more about Hock and im just not interested in taking him over these defensive prospects. He only had 9 TD's in college, more then 4 passes caught four times, and more then 90 rec yards in two games. Hes not even the best athlete at TE on his own team. I get hes a good blocker but if hes not a freak of nature style prospect at TE i dont get why we would take him over these awesome defensive prospects.

Dline wise Sweat has that heart condition that might make him fall. He may not be a guy we're even looking at. If Allen/Oliver are there im completely fine grabbing them. Burns clearly would be a homerun.

I'm with you on Devin White Koss. That kid is going to be a star. He could be the next great nfl linebacker. Hes productive, athletic, and a leader. If we pass him up for a Tight End im going to be sad. I dont know if hes even going to be on the board when we pick but if he is thats a home run.

My draft board today isfig no way the top couple guys fall)

Allen
White
Burns
Oliver
Bush

I feel like no way we cant land one of these guys. If we draft Hock or trade back that sucks. I feel like these are all guys who could be stars at the next level.

Would be fine with White, Bush, White TE, random interior OL mauler

22 hours til Hock

Love how the mouth breathers are going to be like BUT OMG ERIC EBRON when Hock is the polar opposite of Ebron

What I mean by bend is the ability of the outside pass rusher to get/turn their body 'tight' around the OT for a direct route to the QB. 3 cone drill is an inadequate test because the drill is against air rather than a hostile offensive lineman. At 2:30 in this clip Rashan gets around the edge but his angle is too wide to actually get the QB.

Similar thing here https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HollowSomb...zee-mobile.mp4

An example of great bend in this draft class is Josh Allen (28 secs in)

Burns has a lot of positive qualities but the scouting report's statement "Able to channel his core strength and convert speed to power." is false. His weight is a concern only because it is a proxy for power or in his case lack thereof. On tape he'll have a bunch of reps trying to win to the outside with speed, if the lineman is able to square him up then Burns is usually shut down. He *flashes* a good move here or there and scouting reports write it up truthfully as him having good pass rush moves but gloss over the several reps in between when he gets stonewalled.

1st round TEs in the past 10 years:

Hayden Hurst
Oj Howard
Evan Ingram
Njoku
Ebron
Tyler Eifert
J.Gresham
Pettigrew

Obv Howard/Ingram/Njoku look good but they were all late first rounders and the jury is for sure still out on Njoku. Tight End isnt a position where you need to invest a top 10 pick on to get your guy.

This draft has multiple future all pro caliber defenders. Its weak on offensive players. Hockenson is getting shot up the draft boards due to the fact this draft is really week on offensive talent.

George Kittle: Iowa 2013-16, 25 games, 737 yards, 10 TD
TJ Hockenson:Iowa 2017-18, 23 games, 1080 yards, 9 TD

Kittle is the best TE in the NFL and had 1377 yards last season. Iowa is not an explosive pass offense and Hock's stats have to be understood in that context.

George Kittle round 5 pick 146. You dont need to invest a top 10 pick on a tight end.

Noah fant in the past 2 seasons:

69 catches 1k+ rec yards 18 tds

I get Hockenson is the better blocker of the two. If I'm taking a TE over these defenders he needs to not only have amazing production but also be an athletic specimen.

Hocks draft stock is being inflated by the lack of offensive playmakers in the draft this season. Would be very SOL to bite on that.

If a person thinks this draft is deep on defensive players because scouting sites say so, they should also think TJ Hockenson is a top 10 pick because scouting sites say that too.

Everybody everywhere is calling this draft deep on defensive players and has been for awhile. You may disagree but thats consensus. I dont have to agree with the scouting sites that Hockenson is a top 10 player in this draft. Just like I dont agree with picking Gary high after watching every game of his career despite scouting sites having him very high esp a month ago.

History shows its not necassary to draft a Tight End in the top 10 in the past decade to get the elite ones. The best tight ends Gronk/Kelce/Kittle/Ertz werent top 10 picks. Maybe the lions buck that trend but I feel its a clear mistake.

Edge players and LBs have a much bigger impact on the game than TEs. Especially in the middle. QBs in the NFL are so good that if you have no pass rush your season is dead on arrival. You can get by with a below average TE, I dont think you can say the same about pass rushing.

If you could 100% guarantee Hock is a top TE in the game on day 1, sure, take him at 8. But if he ends up being a fringe pro bowler like most #8 picks, I would rather have a fringe pro bowl defender. But in order for me to justify a TE this high in the draft on a team with other needs, he has to be a cant miss near perfect prospect, and I dont see that in Hock.

Less than ten hours till Hockamageddeon

Ive been watching tape of Haskins today and he reminds me a lot of Stafford. Someone snagging him early is key to having Allen fall to 8. You could do a lot worse than Haskins if youre drafting a franchise QB. If I were the Giants I would grab him at 6.

Lions fans are going to make Jets fans look like a bunch of milquetoasts, I expect blood.

clelin ferrell at 4 a bit of a surprise. Thats one domino to fall to put Allen in play.

Hes a good player at one time i was hoping we took him. Just Raiders should of traded back and took him like 10 picks.

All we need is Haskins and Jones to go and we're looking at Allen or White. Ed Oliver would be a nice get as well.

Josh Allen may really fall to us. One time lets go.

god ****ing dammmit.

So close man. Was really hoping the jags bit on Hock. I want Oliver/Burns/Bush. Going to be upset if we go Hock/OL here.