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01-17-2022 , 12:29 AM
I mean I blame Fat Mike for the play call. Don't even know how much you gain from it, because with one play from the 25 the DBs can still all pretty much sit in the end zone. Was already a gift that SF played soft enough to give us two cracks from the 40, was way more than we deserved after playing like dogshit for most of the game.

Honestly not a surprise at all based on how we played this season outside the dumpster fire of a division we reside in. The ARZ game was our reminder down the stretch of how we match up against actual good teams, this game felt a lot like that one.
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01-17-2022 , 04:07 AM
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I mean I blame Fat Mike for the play call. Don't even know how much you gain from it, because with one play from the 25 the DBs can still all pretty much sit in the end zone. Was already a gift that SF played soft enough to give us two cracks from the 40, was way more than we deserved after playing like dogshit for most of the game.

Honestly not a surprise at all based on how we played this season outside the dumpster fire of a division we reside in. The ARZ game was our reminder down the stretch of how we match up against actual good teams, this game felt a lot like that one.
Fat Mike doesn't call plays ...

I agree it's how Dak has matched up with good teams his whole career, he's Tony Romo volume 2 ... (which is not a good thing)
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01-17-2022 , 12:51 PM
Romo and Dak are both QBs that you can win with if you have solid coaching and defense (and of course a decent OL and a handful of offensive tools, which has never been the issue). But the coaching has been what it's been, and the defense gets good every so often but never consistently and rarely every unit performing well at the same time. This year we ran hot on forcing turnovers, when that regresses to the mean or worse next year we'll look like garbage (I mean even Trayvon by himself, if he suddenly drops to like 3 INT next year but still gives up the yardage that he did, is suddenly a huge liability rather than an asset).

Being caught in this cycle sucks but I guess having a ceiling of 1 playoff win is better than being a Lions fan or something. Maybe.
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01-17-2022 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
Romo and Dak are both QBs that you can win with if you have solid coaching and defense (and of course a decent OL and a handful of offensive tools, which has never been the issue). But the coaching has been what it's been, and the defense gets good every so often but never consistently and rarely every unit performing well at the same time. This year we ran hot on forcing turnovers, when that regresses to the mean or worse next year we'll look like garbage (I mean even Trayvon by himself, if he suddenly drops to like 3 INT next year but still gives up the yardage that he did, is suddenly a huge liability rather than an asset).

Being caught in this cycle sucks but I guess having a ceiling of 1 playoff win is better than being a Lions fan or something. Maybe.
You can't have a perfect roster paying the QB that much of the cap ...

Dak fans always blame the coaching (just like Romo). It only gets worse and worse from here as he eats more and more of the cap the roster will get worse and worse. Paying Dak Prescott as an "elite" QB will be one of the worst mistakes Jerry has ever made.
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01-17-2022 , 02:22 PM
You're probably not wrong. I'd argue that Zeke is worse, I mean the guy's been useful but not elite at all, and the rise of Pollard just makes it embarrassingly obvious how you can find good and even great backs anywhere, and don't have to waste the draft capital and $$$ that you did on Zeke. I think overall the front office hasn't drafted badly, but this was a glaring mistake, as is their salary management.

Would you just have franchised Dak for a couple of years or actually let him walk? The problem is you can easily go a decade before you find anybody halfway decent. It kind of sucks that we've actually been insanely lucky to bink back-to-back solid QBs, one as a walk-on and one as a 4th rounder, and we'll have virtually nothing to show for it in terms of playoff success.
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01-17-2022 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
You're probably not wrong. I'd argue that Zeke is worse, I mean the guy's been useful but not elite at all, and the rise of Pollard just makes it embarrassingly obvious how you can find good and even great backs anywhere, and don't have to waste the draft capital and $$$ that you did on Zeke. I think overall the front office hasn't drafted badly, but this was a glaring mistake, as is their salary management.

Would you just have franchised Dak for a couple of years or actually let him walk? The problem is you can easily go a decade before you find anybody halfway decent. It kind of sucks that we've actually been insanely lucky to bink back-to-back solid QBs, one as a walk-on and one as a 4th rounder, and we'll have virtually nothing to show for it in terms of playoff success.
Zeke has been a better deal than Demarcus Lawrence but yes it was obv Pollard should have taken over and Zeke should have been laughed at when he was in Cabo.

You needed to let Dak walk, it was a time of good QB draft classes 2 years in a row. They didn't "bink" anything, there are lots of mediocre QBs. Romo and Dak were both mediocre.

If you can't win with the mediocre QB on the cheap contract ... you have 0 chance to win with the mediocre QB on the massive contract.

Dallas has lots of players that are extremely over rated at their roster core - Dlaw, Zeke and Dak (Tyron too)
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01-17-2022 , 03:06 PM
We agree on a lot, but I think you're forgetting how much atrocious QB play there is in the NFL. Romo>>>Dak>>average NFL QB, IMO.

Dak may very well have peaked and could easily regress significantly but he has to drop a decent bit before he's "mediocre".

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01-17-2022 , 03:16 PM
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We agree on a lot, but I think you're forgetting how much atrocious QB play there is in the NFL. Romo>>>Dak>>average NFL QB, IMO.

Dak may very well have peaked and could easily regress significantly but he has to drop quite a bit before he's "mediocre".
No they are both right at the average lol, hence when they have played good teams they both shrivel up and choke. I would rather take a chance to get a great QB than pay a mid tier one like he is elite.

Not a single SB winner has ever paid a single player 15% of their teams cap or more (Brady has won it at 14% and 12% the two highest). Not even much better QBs have been able to do it.

It's not hard to throw for tons of yards with the talent on the outside. Did you think Dak was more than mediocre before Amari Cooper was acquired ? 8 games in 2018 and 2017 showed Dak as a mediocre QB. Jerry had to trade a 1st round pick to get Cooper bc Dak couldn't elevate the talent around him and needed an elite target. It's not hard to put up stats when you pass it 45 times a game and have guys like Cooper, Lamb and Schultz to throw too.

Dak's struggles in the red zone his entire career are also another telling sign he is not elite and never will be. His ball placement and accuracy will never be elite, he still throws everything behind and high all the time (tape is very clear)
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01-18-2022 , 01:00 AM
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If you can't win with the mediocre QB on the cheap contract ... you have 0 chance to win with the mediocre QB on the massive contract.
Also: If you can't win with Dak at min and Zeke at $6 mil/yr, how you gonna win with Dak and Zeke on the max?

Dallas Cowboy contracts:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts/

Jerry Jones has overpaid for talent for 25 years and running.
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01-18-2022 , 04:52 AM
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Also: If you can't win with Dak at min and Zeke at $6 mil/yr, how you gonna win with Dak and Zeke on the max?

Dallas Cowboy contracts:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts/

Jerry Jones has overpaid for talent for 25 years and running.
Dak, Zeke and Dlaw ... all massively over paid
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01-19-2022 , 10:44 AM
Dak could have been better, but we win if we draw half as many penalties. And that's on coaching and discipline.

I also wasn't a huge fan of how the offence was called for 2/3's of the year. I also think our oline is pretty average.
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01-22-2022 , 12:51 AM
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03-09-2022 , 09:00 PM
"Woman sues Jerry Jones, alleges Dallas Cowboys owner paid her mother to conceal that he was her biological father."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...logical-father
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03-10-2022 , 11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/_MulattoCurls/st...5Es1_&ref_url=

Cooper is now my favorite player for eternity <3
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03-12-2022 , 03:38 PM
Trading Cooper for a 5th round pick ... cringe

The downhill crash bc of that terrible Prescott contract begins. Dallas will be lucky to win 9 games next year.

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03-12-2022 , 04:30 PM
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Trading Cooper for a 5th round pick ... cringe
The downhill crash bc of that terrible Prescott contract begins.
Top paid QB's almost never win Super Bowls.
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04-13-2022 , 04:28 AM


Lols
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04-30-2022 , 12:23 AM
Jesus this draft just keeps getting worse for us day after day. The Eagles and Giants are crushing it. The Eagles should be the favorite to win the division now with these additions (AJ Brown, Jordan Davis, Nakobe Dean) ...


Just brutal, the next few years are gonna suck
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09-12-2022 , 12:18 AM
Called that ish ... trading Cooper was so so bad ... 2018 all over again lols
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09-12-2022 , 12:40 AM
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Just brutal, the next few years are gonna suck
In other words, business as usual.
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09-12-2022 , 10:57 AM
I'm all for an early pick in the coming draft. But respectfully Cooper wasn't going to make a lick of difference with this Oline in pieces.

We need to draft some franchise OL and some skill positions in the coming draft.
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09-13-2022 , 06:02 PM
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I'm all for an early pick in the coming draft. But respectfully Cooper wasn't going to make a lick of difference with this Oline in pieces.

We need to draft some franchise OL and some skill positions in the coming draft.
You don't understand football at all ... Dak was the problem on Sunday, they drafted a lineman that played well on Sunday in his first start at left tackle.

Cooper would have made a massive difference bc he destroys press man coverage, something CD Lamb struggles vs.

https://youtu.be/xpuOoPPI-AA?t=25 - example #1

https://youtu.be/xpuOoPPI-AA?t=187 - example #2

Cooper gives QBs a release valve, bc he wins early and hard. He was doing all the heavy lifting in Dallas by taking #1 corners and the majority of the def scheme was to limit him, letting others eat
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09-14-2022 , 08:30 AM
ah the "you don't understand football at all" crowd.

Yes you're right, our Oline isn't in total shambles, lol. Dak would have surely been "the problem" this season.

Or like maybe not getting enough reps in the preseason shows up against a top tier D?
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09-14-2022 , 01:03 PM
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ah the "you don't understand football at all" crowd.

Yes you're right, our Oline isn't in total shambles, lol. Dak would have surely been "the problem" this season.

Or like maybe not getting enough reps in the preseason shows up against a top tier D?
Dak literally was the lowest rated QB in the NFL on sunday ... you define "you dont understand football at all"
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