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04-27-2016 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Yeah, maybe I'm just a complete idiot but I really find it difficult to believe there aren't quite a few Cole Beasley's out there.

It's not like he's insanely fast. Lots of little guys are super quick.
Interestingly enough this was on the Cowboys site after I posted my stuff about the WR's.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/20...tency-wr-group

I think they nail a lot of the key points about the guys
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04-27-2016 , 08:17 AM
There's room for improvement and they're far from elite top-to-bottom but relatively few teams are. Cole Beasley isn't a superstar (would anybody suggest otherwise?) but gives them a solid piece of the offense + a very good 3rd down option. TWill is a little different because of his contract situation, but within the context of this offense he's a decent enough #2 outside guy who contributes and is fairly consistent year-to-year though not game-to-game. Absolutely. Neither elite but both are young & healthy and serve their purpose. Witten old and slow but still an extremely complete dude.

The run game however is in a questionable place, if you're worried about Dez staying healthy you should be in a panic about DMC's chances. Dez broke his foot, it's not like he's a Miles Austin or someone who regularly missed time over his career. Alfred Morris might not be the guy you remember & has never been much of a receiver. Dunbar is but sounds like he could miss camp...a versatile, young, impact back is what I think the offense needs right now to be elite.

But the question is - can they pass the ball well with the personnel they have? With Romo I would say that's a strong yes. I'd rather have Antonio Brown and Randall Cobb and a young Witter sure, but Romo has enough credible passing targets to get the job done--yes he makes okay receivers look good, but that's an argument for what? Lots of more-successful teams have done well with less. There are some deep WR teams out there that didn't win anything.

Last edited by Minirra; 04-27-2016 at 08:23 AM.
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04-27-2016 , 08:48 AM
But again I called them a "solid" WR group who could benefit from adding a stud player, that's a long way from overrating Beasley or the unit. They're not going to replace Dez's production if he goes down or Romo either this year I don't care who they draft. Losing someone like TWill is probably manageable with a replacement pickup, Beasley maybe not so much but they have options...lots of other positions on the roster need more immediate attention like RB, LB, DB, d-line. I think those units are pretty questionable and have even worse concerns as far as player reliability. They don't have a viable #2 QB on the roster that I'm aware of either regardless of people's hopes for Kellen Moore.

Going to spoil it though they're almost certainly drafting at #4 and it won't be a WR. Probably 50/50 that they snag one before the late rounds and he's unlikely to start this season without an injury, and probably won't be a big deal if he does. That opens up opportunities for high-upside players that need a little extra work.

Last edited by Minirra; 04-27-2016 at 08:57 AM.
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04-27-2016 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
There's room for improvement and they're far from elite top-to-bottom but relatively few teams are. Cole Beasley isn't a superstar (would anybody suggest otherwise?) but gives them a solid piece of the offense + a very good 3rd down option. TWill is a little different because of his contract situation, but within the context of this offense he's a decent enough #2 outside guy who contributes and is fairly consistent year-to-year though not game-to-game. Absolutely. Neither elite but both are young & healthy and serve their purpose. Witten old and slow but still an extremely complete dude.

The run game however is in a questionable place, if you're worried about Dez staying healthy you should be in a panic about DMC's chances. Dez broke his foot, it's not like he's a Miles Austin or someone who regularly missed time over his career. Alfred Morris might not be the guy you remember & has never been much of a receiver. Dunbar is but sounds like he could miss camp...a versatile, young, impact back is what I think the offense needs right now to be elite.

But the question is - can they pass the ball well with the personnel they have? With Romo I would say that's a strong yes. I'd rather have Antonio Brown and Randall Cobb and a young Witter sure, but Romo has enough credible passing targets to get the job done--yes he makes okay receivers look good, but that's an argument for what? Lots of more-successful teams have done well with less. There are some deep WR teams out there that didn't win anything.
You don't find it interesting that DMC has played back to back 16 game seasons once he started being truly used in an RBBC? I find that interesting. He's missed a grand total of 10 games in 4 full seasons. I think we can probably let that one go now. I think Morris giving DMC rests or vice versa is going to get the job done and then some. It won't be even close to the biggest leak on this team, specially if Romo opens up play action. If they don't draft Zeke, I'd just like to see them drafting a punishing goal line back that can compete with Morris. I'm a bit tired of being stuffed on 4th and 1.
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04-27-2016 , 09:01 AM
I kinda think our WRs suck...

Dez is obv fine


Williams is a ghost and the only reason he is still relevant is because of Romo. Beasley is ok he does dumb **** a lot. Nobody else after them even worth mentioning, and Witten is nowhere near the caliber of the best more athletic TEs that a lot of teams have.
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04-27-2016 , 10:56 AM
Take a flier on the German kid in the 4th or 5th rounds at receiver I'd like that
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04-27-2016 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU
I kinda think our WRs suck...

Dez is obv fine


Williams is a ghost and the only reason he is still relevant is because of Romo. Beasley is ok he does dumb **** a lot. Nobody else after them even worth mentioning, and Witten is nowhere near the caliber of the best more athletic TEs that a lot of teams have.
To expand on the bolded. I've always felt like a disproportionate amount of his TD's came on broken plays where Romo danced around and found him wandering around the end zone.
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04-27-2016 , 09:48 PM
So for fun, what would be the WORST thing the boys could do tomorrow? I was thinking the worst might be Paxton Lynch at #4. Anything worse that's realistic?
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04-27-2016 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
So for fun, what would be the WORST thing the boys could do tomorrow? I was thinking the worst might be Paxton Lynch at #4. Anything worse that's realistic?
Taking a kicker ldo.
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04-27-2016 , 10:11 PM
I would say either taking Buckner(who I don't think is a good fit) or trading back and getting sniped on one of the top 7 or 8 or however many you think this draft has.

Optimal drafts for me:

#1. Ramsey, I think.
#2. Trade back a few spots, get Elliott(Okay with the RB at 8-10)
#3. Trade back a few spots, get Bosa(I think he's a massive steal at 8-10)
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04-28-2016 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tdarko
Taking a kicker ldo.
I mean the worst thing that could happen IRL
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04-28-2016 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
I would say either taking Buckner(who I don't think is a good fit) or trading back and getting sniped on one of the top 7 or 8 or however many you think this draft has.

Optimal drafts for me:

#1. Ramsey, I think.
#2. Trade back a few spots, get Elliott(Okay with the RB at 8-10)
#3. Trade back a few spots, get Bosa(I think he's a massive steal at 8-10)
I think if Gregory and Lawrence hadn't happened, they might have tried to trade back and get Nkemdiche. But as is I don't think they can gamble there now.
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04-28-2016 , 08:10 AM
I'm just holding out for Tom Hackett
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04-28-2016 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
You don't find it interesting that DMC has played back to back 16 game seasons once he started being truly used in an RBBC? I find that interesting. He's missed a grand total of 10 games in 4 full seasons. I think we can probably let that one go now.
The guy isn't anything special and yes he is a very high injury risk in addition to a high regression risk. You can ignore that but it'll be too late when Week 6 rolls around and your stuck for a halfback. 2016 is cited as a "healthy" year for him when he basically hurt each hamstring and missed camp on the PuP list, and then (coincidentally or not) played pretty poorly the first 5 games or however many it was before the bye week.

He played well enough to keep around so there's no issue there, or with the money side of it either. PFF hates him, I think he was productive and all. But there's no way it makes sense to bank on him given his overall history as a 9th-season RB, based on 75% of a season behind a very strong line. The draft is the most sensible place to pick up backs and it's something I'd rather they not miss on this year - doesn't have to be Zeke but I do see it as one of their more glaring needs on offense. This is a more balanced offense we will definitely use talent at HB.

As to TWill I don't understand the hate, think we've got fine value on him. Yes he hasn't turned into a stud #1 type but he's one of the more productive players they've found at WR in ages and he cost almost nothing to acquire. He's fit what they need there well enough as a pure outside guy in this scheme, and has since Year 1. He could definitely be upgraded from but not as easily as people think - look at the wasteland WR picks since 2013 (in all rounds) if you need more convincing, or most of the Cowboys' FA deals since forever. He's probably going to leave town with 3k yards and 20+ TDs to show for his 4 seasons which I can live with. You want an outside shot at an upgrade right now it's probably going to cost you a high 2nd, probably more to move up and grab someone else, and that's IF you really see someone as a potentially elite player. It will cost you a good prospect at DE or CB or whatever which I think helps the team more.

Last edited by Minirra; 04-28-2016 at 10:10 AM.
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04-28-2016 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I mean the worst thing that could happen IRL
I think the worst thing that could happen is take a 2nd tier QB at #4 but that won't happen so I don't think there is a worse possible scenario where they are at. They will be picking from Ramsey, Zeke and Tunsil - of course there are arguments all across the board as to why each one should or shouldn't be picked but regardless the Cowboys will be getting either the #1 or #2 player in the draft or a generational RB that nobody wants Dallas to take. Whoever they take will be fine.

I do think a pie in the sky best move would be to have someone like Miami trade from #13 and Dallas swipes their #2, #3 this year and possibly #1 next year. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and 2 first rounders next year is the real way to fix all the holes, not one great player.
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04-28-2016 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Optimal drafts for me:

#1. Ramsey, I think.
#2. Trade back a few spots, get Elliott(Okay with the RB at 8-10)
#3. Trade back a few spots, get Bosa(I think he's a massive steal at 8-10)
Sounds good to me. Only massive spew would be Zeke at 4. Too high for a RB.
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04-28-2016 , 11:27 AM
Ramsey at #4 or trade back a few spots to get Bosa or Elliot.

Worst case imo is if Ramsey is gone and no one wants to trade. I vomit if this happens. A little high for RB even though all the experts say elliot has the talent to be taken at this spot. They say Bosa isnt a 10 sack a year guy so dont think he's good enough for #4. Don't want OL, that's overkill. So myles jack? Is his injury still a big concern? Is LB going to make a big enough impact like a DB or DE would?
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04-28-2016 , 12:08 PM
I doubt they move but even if they did I'm not worried about them getting value on a trade-down this year if they did. I expect we'd all be at least reasonably happy with the haul. Not sure about down to 13 - depends on how many super-elite prospects they see because they're not going to put themselves out of range to get one this year, I just can't see that at all. I'm not convinced that their BPA philosophy is honest enough to take an OT up that high, don't know what they think about Myles Jack's knee, or Bosa's fit, or using such a high pick an a monster halfback. Things can get a little murky with d-line projections too.

I guess they have to be prepared for a total facemelter pick in front of them too. I just wish Chip Kelly was still with Philly to make it at least a little more interesting.
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04-28-2016 , 01:06 PM
Myles Jack is the only concern for me at #4 - at least if his health situation is even half of what it's being made out to be. Cowboys have seemed a little too forgiving of medical issues with mixed results. Top-5 player needs to come into the league pretty clean. The "he would have been a #1 if only he wasn't ________" argument doesn't work that high. If he goes on to be the next Ray Lewis for whoever I'll live with it.

Talking about microfracture surgery now, and given comments his people are an idiot for letting him even speak about it.
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04-28-2016 , 08:39 PM
jesus**** why do i root for this team are you christing me
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04-28-2016 , 08:40 PM
Whelp, they did it
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04-28-2016 , 08:41 PM
Ugh not what I expected.
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04-28-2016 , 08:43 PM
whhy
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04-28-2016 , 08:43 PM
****ing ******s

This isn't the 90s
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04-28-2016 , 08:44 PM
It's like mildly tilting that they didn't see the value in trading down 3 spots. You were basically a lock to get one of Ramsey, Zeke or Tunsil anyway and you might as well take ANYTHING to do it.
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