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01-04-2015 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael888
Just saw Green Bay is 8-0 @ home.

Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object

but really its more like 2 unstoppable forces each facing very movable objects in each other's defense. This will be about which offense shows up to play and/or which defense can get the luckiest.
I haven't seen the Cowboys play much this year other than today's game, but if they play vs. Green Bay the way they played vs. the Lions today, they're going to get wrecked.

I hate the Packers with a fiery passion and I hope Dallas wins for that reason alone, but Green Bay is a damn good team this year.

It was only some seriously sloppy **** by the Lions and/or some pretty fortuitous second half officiating that let the Cowboys squeak out a win this week... don't expect the Packers to give Romo multiple free red zone first downs on penalties.

If the Cowboys put on their best game of the year they're a significant underdog. If they're at less than their best, they may as well not even show up.

We'll see.
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01-04-2015 , 11:24 PM
Romo sacked 6 times this game. I remember that playoff game against MIN like that and it went so much worse. They definitely seem a lot more resilient late games and not totally falling apart.

That's the biggest difference with this team. Yeah a line and Murray and all that, but they've had as much or more total talent in other years (a little better distributed on both sides of the ball though). But they'd be a lost cause in a close game or if they got behind 10 points. Now they hold it together and keep grinding regardless of the score.

I like the look and whatever they do here Garrett seems to deserve some credit for that. He can't do much about cap stuff but his guys are playing 4 quarters and even when bad they're not collapsing. Whoever is making these 4th down calls is doing a better job too.

Last edited by Gonzirra; 01-04-2015 at 11:35 PM.
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01-04-2015 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
If the Cowboys put on their best game of the year they're a significant underdog. If they're at less than their best, they may as well not even show up.

We'll see.
This is exaggerating a wee bit. The Cowboys when at their best have been dominant, and if they're truly at their best they'll run the ball all over Green Bay, control the clock, and seriously limit the amount of time that Rodgers has the ball. You just admitted you haven't seen them much this year. So you obviously haven't seen them at their best. If they're on their top game next week, it'll be neck and neck at worst.
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01-04-2015 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CandyKreep
This is exaggerating a wee bit. The Cowboys when at their best have been dominant, and if they're truly at their best they'll run the ball all over Green Bay, control the clock, and seriously limit the amount of time that Rodgers has the ball. You just admitted you haven't seen them much this year. So you obviously haven't seen them at their best. If they're on their top game next week, it'll be neck and neck at worst.
Take it from a Lions fan: Green Bay is a bitch to beat at Lambaeu.

Current line is Dallas as 6.5 point underdogs.
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01-04-2015 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
Take it from a Lions fan: Green Bay is a bitch to beat at Lambaeu.

Current line is Dallas as 6.5 point underdogs.
So were the Seahawks.
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01-04-2015 , 11:45 PM
The Cowboys are a really young team for the most part and it showed. They were clearly pretty nervous to start the game. I am hoping/expecting (for) a much better start to the game. I've seen most of GB's games this year and their defense is not much better than Dallas'.

When I say it's a better matchup I know it isn't an ideal matchup, but the offense that was scoring 40 a game these past few weeks has a wayyyy better chance of showing up against GB than against Detroit and obviously that's where we hang our hats.

Green Bay is also not immune to just coming out and ****ting the bed either. They haven't done **** the last 3 years in the playoffs except beat the Joe Webb Vikings. I'm not saying they will, just that it could happen.

in the end you gotta #BELIEVE
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01-04-2015 , 11:48 PM
Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL.

Not sure where I was going with that but our BEEF is going to need to dominate.
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01-04-2015 , 11:50 PM
The first Redskins game and this one proved that we have a big problem with well-designed blitzes. We need to keep sprinkling in a lot of runs in semi-obvious pass situations or everybody's going to keep doing the same thing to us. A few quick slants would work too. And Romo learning how to throw the ****ing ball away.

Bruce Carter better be OK, I'm assuming McClain should be 100% if it was really just illness/dehydration. Anyone know what they expect with Free's injury?
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01-05-2015 , 12:22 AM
No idea. They've still got a replacement level defense on paper and lost 4 starters from that, ignoring the losses of Lee, Ware, and Hatcher in the offseason. It makes no sense that they've held opponents to 20 or fewer 3 games straight but they have. Pro Personnel Dept and defensive coaching staff deserve an award for not giving up 40 every game.

They don't seem to get any worse losing a guy, someone else always seems to show up and do just enough.

But I'm not banking on the defense. The offense is built to score points in every way you can score points, and that's always enough to have a shot.
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01-05-2015 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael888
Just saw Green Bay is 8-0 @ home.

Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object

but really its more like 2 unstoppable forces each facing very movable objects in each other's defense. This will be about which offense shows up to play and/or which defense can get the luckiest.
Barely beat the Lions, at home, but yeah unstoppable force lol

Eta: congrats on the win tho, next week is going to be awesome to watch regardless of the outcome. I think Dez is gonna go off
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01-05-2015 , 12:34 AM
I was just trolling in the sense that Dallas is 8-0 on the road

**** you hater
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01-05-2015 , 12:38 AM
Would be fine with a shootout.

Green Bay is going to get theirs, just have to keep pace and win a coin flip type game.
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01-05-2015 , 04:22 AM
It's not as if GB is some kind of juggernaut '07 Patriots squad. They're good and are rightly favored but they also managed to lose 4 games by 8+. And the only one of those still in contention is Seattle (where lowly Dallas managed to get a W).

Their offenses are probably a dead heat factoring in Weeden playing one game, nevermind the broken Romo games. Dallas is more balanced but the net result is about the same. Their defense is better and blitz a lot but they'll still have to get there and not make stupid mistakes.

As far as Lambeau yeah it's tough. But Romo's won there before (and is from Wisconsin) for whatever that's worth (nothing), plus they've been good on the road all year. A couple years ago GB were a 15-1 bye week team and got blown out at Lambeau after the break. **** happens with rest time and who knows what Rodgers' calf situation winds up being.

Either way I'm sure they're pretty disappointed to not be playing Carolina next week.
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01-05-2015 , 08:36 AM
Hey did anyone else groan at that one "drop" by Escobar. Not a great throw, but I burst out with "****ing second round pick man!"

I'll tell you the single most important mistake being made by this team, and honestly I don't know how it's still happening. HOW DOES TONY ROMO NOT THROW (some) BALLS AWAY INSTEAD OF TAKING SACKS.

His internal clock is getting worse with old age it seems. Few plays where 3 seconds have passed, man maybe start thinking of throwing that out the back of the end zone or out of bounds or something. The sack he took on the play that made the missed FG longer was all on him. If I could ask for 1 improvement between now and next week, it's that. Just one.

Also now we've all seen that shovel play to Witten run 3 times this year. I like it, but I think other OC's have seen it a lot too now.
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01-05-2015 , 08:39 AM
Romo actually explains that and his underthrows in his postgame presser.

But yeah, it's not even that he takes sacks its how long they are. 9 yards lost per sack is not okay. Stop ****ing running backwards at the very least.
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01-05-2015 , 09:15 AM
Btw 4th and 6 and ginger went for it?

Love it. Shocked, but love it.
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01-05-2015 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gonzirra
It's not as if GB is some kind of juggernaut '07 Patriots squad. They're good and are rightly favored but they also managed to lose 4 games by 8+. And the only one of those still in contention is Seattle (where lowly Dallas managed to get a W).

Their offenses are probably a dead heat factoring in Weeden playing one game, nevermind the broken Romo games. Dallas is more balanced but the net result is about the same. Their defense is better and blitz a lot but they'll still have to get there and not make stupid mistakes.

As far as Lambeau yeah it's tough. But Romo's won there before (and is from Wisconsin) for whatever that's worth (nothing), plus they've been good on the road all year. A couple years ago GB were a 15-1 bye week team and got blown out at Lambeau after the break. **** happens with rest time and who knows what Rodgers' calf situation winds up being.

Either way I'm sure they're pretty disappointed to not be playing Carolina next week.
Good analysis. The Packers have much different personel than the 15-1 team. I think a good "barometer" game is last years game between the Packers and Cowboys. Eddie Lacey had a big game, rushing for 141 yards. Both Dez Bryant and Demarco Murray had big games. Romo threw two key interceptions in that game. Rodgers was injured, didn't play. Romo and Rodgers are arguably the top two QB performers in 2014. Murray and Bryant are having great seasons. Ditto Lacey, Cobb, and Nelson. The Cowboys Jason Witten is stepping up. We'll see about Packers TEs.

On defense, both teams have improved. After getting shredded by yet another team's running game in week 8 (the Saints), the Packers moved Clay Matthews to ILB where he gets a significant number snaps each game. They also put Hawk on the bench basically (he gets some snaps still). Since that move, the Packers have played much better against the run, however, they haven't played against a back the caliber of Murray. So Murray presents a huge challenge for the Packers D and this is a key factor in the outcome of the game. Both teams have excellent passing attacks so their respective passing attacks present huge challenges to both defenses.

Special teams, Mason Crosby has had 7 kicks blocked this year. The Packers punter has had a lousy year. The Packers gave up a 75 yard punt return against the Bills. Micah Hyde though has a few returns for TDs. Overall the Packers special teams have not played well. Not sure about the Cowboys but Bailey is a helluva kicker. I assume Cowboys have played better on special teams this year.

The weather could be a big factor in this game, especially if it is windy.

To me, these two teams are really close in ability and performance. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Cowboys won this game. By all indications this should a great game.
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01-05-2015 , 12:08 PM
Romo played about exactly as bad as he can play and still get a win. If he gets back into December mode for the rest of the playoffs, I like our chances.

Not sure we'll win, but huge value in Dallas +6.5.
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01-05-2015 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Good analysis. The Packers have much different personel than the 15-1 team. I think a good "barometer" game is last years game between the Packers and Cowboys. Eddie Lacey had a big game, rushing for 141 yards. Both Dez Bryant and Demarco Murray had big games. Romo threw two key interceptions in that game. Rodgers was injured, didn't play. Romo and Rodgers are arguably the top two QB performers in 2014. Murray and Bryant are having great seasons. Ditto Lacey, Cobb, and Nelson. The Cowboys Jason Witten is stepping up. We'll see about Packers TEs.

On defense, both teams have improved. After getting shredded by yet another team's running game in week 8 (the Saints), the Packers moved Clay Matthews to ILB where he gets a significant number snaps each game. They also put Hawk on the bench basically (he gets some snaps still). Since that move, the Packers have played much better against the run, however, they haven't played against a back the caliber of Murray. So Murray presents a huge challenge for the Packers D and this is a key factor in the outcome of the game. Both teams have excellent passing attacks so their respective passing attacks present huge challenges to both defenses.

Special teams, Mason Crosby has had 7 kicks blocked this year. The Packers punter has had a lousy year. The Packers gave up a 75 yard punt return against the Bills. Micah Hyde though has a few returns for TDs. Overall the Packers special teams have not played well. Not sure about the Cowboys but Bailey is a helluva kicker. I assume Cowboys have played better on special teams this year.

The weather could be a big factor in this game, especially if it is windy.

To me, these two teams are really close in ability and performance. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Cowboys won this game. By all indications this should a great game.
Well the line reflects as much, right? Basically Vegas is saying on an neutral field, this would be a flip. I'll take it.
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01-05-2015 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Well the line reflects as much, right? Basically Vegas is saying on an neutral field, this would be a flip. I'll take it.
Um no.. On a neutral field GB would be favored by 3-3.5.

If it was in dallas it would be about a flip.
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01-05-2015 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNonPareil
Um no.. On a neutral field GB would be favored by 3-3.5.

If it was in dallas it would be about a flip.
You're taking the average. I've read some pretty convincing articles that say that home field at Seattle is worth closer to 5.5 points, and Green Bay over 4.5 (cold, home record, etc...). So I'm basically saying it's *close* to a flip. I agree with you that PK vs -2 -105 is not the same thing, but let's just round that for arguments sake. It's darn close.
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01-05-2015 , 01:57 PM
I know DAL +6.5 does nothing for me.
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01-05-2015 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
You're taking the average. I've read some pretty convincing articles that say that home field at Seattle is worth closer to 5.5 points, and Green Bay over 4.5 (cold, home record, etc...). So I'm basically saying it's *close* to a flip. I agree with you that PK vs -2 -105 is not the same thing, but let's just round that for arguments sake. It's darn close.
But boys 8-0 on road so what now?

See how stupid it would be for books to not use an average instead of recency variance?

Books aren't making home-field advantage 4.5 points.

Anyway this doesn't matter anyway, it isn't a neutral field so it is what it is.
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01-05-2015 , 03:16 PM
There is a replay of the game on NFLN in 45 minutes. I don't know about you guys but i am still on cloud 9, I can't believe we won yesterday. I would love to win next week in GB but everything from here on out feels like a free roll. This season will be a success in my mind even if we lose next week.

We are set up to dominate the NFC E for the next 3-4 years. Need to strengthen the
D-line and Secondary but we are building something special here guys, enjoy the ride!!
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01-05-2015 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DWare94
There is a replay of the game on NFLN in 45 minutes. I don't know about you guys but i am still on cloud 9, I can't believe we won yesterday. I would love to win next week in GB but everything from here on out feels like a free roll. This season will be a success in my mind even if we lose next week.

We are set up to dominate the NFC E for the next 3-4 years. Need to strengthen the
D-line and Secondary but we are building something special here guys, enjoy the ride
!!
Hmm, you may wanna look over the cap situation and contract statuses a bit closer. Frankly we don't know what the D will look like next year since so much of it isn't signed. We don't know who are RB will be next year. Our QB has a bad back and isn't that young. We need 2-3 guys to be serious team players with restructuring...

The only thing we know for sure is our WR's are nice, and will remain nice.

All that being said, I'm still on cloud 9 too
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