This is false, he only took 7 kicks in 2009 before manning took over the job. I hardly consider that a whole season. In fact he only took 31 kick offs in 2008, for 39 total with 0 touchdowns. Thats hardly a sample to cast off a guy. And again, Im not disagreeing he wasnt there in 2008, cuz he wasnt, but its still less kicks in 2008 and 2009 than he took in 2007 alone.

And in his first two years he only averaged ~23 yards a return. Are you trying to say he didnt make a huge difference in field position between the 4 TDs, the squibs and the general fear of giving him the ball? Thats still only 2 more yards per carry than in 2008 and 2009, its not all about return yards

I like knox better than manning, but cmon, returning one kick each, one against the lions and one from the 20 yard line, ev1 returns 1 eventually.

To help my point, heres something from the 2007 season

"The Bears led the league in scoring, starting field position following kickoffs...

The Bears were actually last in kickoff returns at 18.4 yards because there were so many gimmicks used to keep the ball out of Hester’s hands, but the short squibs, kicks out of bounds and everything else added up to the best starting field position at an average of the 33.7-yard line."


Thats a pretty damn powerful weapon to have and it even helped take us to the Super Bowl with Rex ****ing Grossman. Imagine what would happen if we had that now?


In 2008 season, we also had the best average starting position in the league. I cant tell if this is just kickoffs, as the previous stat was, but 2008 was also a Hester year

These days they wouldn't bother with all the KO schemes they used to (including crazily kicking deliberately out of bounds).

They might if he proves last night wasn't a flash in the pan.

At that point (or even now) I think you can start to give him some returns.

Also you have to factor in Lovie really wouldn't want to hand him the full-time KOR in addition to being the only PR, and a starting WR.

I think you're really underestimating how good Manning and Knox are. If they weren't among the best in the league then I can see it.

And yes, ultimately, let's wait until Hester does something that is more than one game after he's "sucked" the last two years. He has to prove he's the old Hester again.

I agree, Im more arguing he never should have lost the job, not that he gets it back now for returning one punt. Another qualm with Lovie. I just miss our super hero


oh although I am a big believer in momentum, and I think they should have let Hester take the first kickoff after his punt return TD. The crowd would have gone nuts

Yeah, I do think the WR move could still turn out to be an historically bad move.

I don't think there's many that would doubt it was that move that caused Hester's return magic to go.

Also anyone else sick of the "are they for real yet?" **** that's still going about in the media? Before the game, in the rankings and such, it was "if the Bears beat the Packers then we know who they are", now they have they're all back tracking.

And don't get me started on "the Packers should have won". Yeah, like the Bears should have won Week 1 versus them last year. The Packers got what they deserved.

I didn't think of that, but that would have been an awesome, and very smart, move.

We went 13-3 with 2 pick 6s in overtime in 2001, we went 13-3 with grossman with hester kick returns in 2006, I believe we can do it in 2010!

The problem now with the Hester WR experiment (if you can even call it that anymore) is that he hasn't turned out to be awful by any means. If he flat-out sucked and couldn't run routes, couldn't catch, etc, then sure, stick him back deep and let him handle returns exclusively. However, while he's still rough on routes and some of the more technical stuff, he shows some great ball skills imo, what with the catch in Dallas and also the OOB catch in the end zone on Monday. Add this to the fact that apparently Aromashodu has been slacking off and we're still too thin there to pull him from WR duties.

Did moving him to WR kill his return ability? Probably, but who knows? Az Hakim was the man at returns while playing 3rd WR for the Greatest Show on Turf Rams, and Dante Hall got lots of touches in KC's offense too. Didn't stop those guys from beating ass at the return game.

Ive def been more impressed with his hands this year than past years. Aromashodu I still have faith. Hes not getting much playing time though. Seems like we can survive pretty well on throwing to Hester and Olsen. I do wish knox would be a bigger option as well.

yeah i really thought knox was going to already be steppin up n killing it this year. couple nice grabs nut i'm expecting a few 100 yd games w 1-2 tds.


as for harris. i was really hoping that sitting him last night would jumpstart his heart. he was such a force, to see him sitting out without an injury or any other reason than just his play really really sucks.

kudos to the management for puttin a player in his place though.

Knox has been pretty good this year. Not sure what you really expect out of him, but he is a top ten WR by DYAR, YAR & DVOA. He has similar numbers to Ochocinco & Malcom Floyd. I'm not sure if you wanted him to be Andre Johnson overnight, but outside of some TDs (which you have to think will come) he has been one of the better receivers in the NFL this year.

Harris has not been productive since getting hurt in 2007. He has shown flashes, but in general he has lived off of reputation.

Hester has been living off of reputation as well as a punt returner, but in a good way. Really it was just this season and almost this game where teams were kicking to him again. His problems in the past year or two is that when he is angled to the sideline he tries to make a big return, which requires him to switch fields and run sideways. He has continued to look scary on the few punts that stay in the middle of the field. I did love seeing him hit seams the way he did Monday Night.

As for kick returns having him on the field on almost every offensive play and punt returns, might already be too much. Keeping him off of KRs just gives that slightly less chance of him getting hurt. And as was stated earlier, Knox and Manning are still high level returners.

I really think Knox has all the tools to become a #1 for Cutler for quite a while. What a steal in the 5th round, and it's not like there wasn't a lot of buzz about him either.

Thank you Abilene Christian.

+1 on Knox only getting better. The TD's will start to come, too.

Chicago-speak for "I'm a clueless f.ag"? Makes sense . I dont know Chicago speak, so Im just going by the most likely interpretation.

i am pretty sure you can say *** here

The Rodgers video was clearly posted with the intent of showing something funny, not to provide empirical evidence that he's a bad quarterback. Nobody itt suggested he's a bad quarterback, or even merely just a good quarterback for that matter. You took it seriously, cosines lol'd and now we get this.

If you're going to overreact and throw a tantrum, do it in your own team's thread or in the general NFL discussion threads. This is unwarranted drivel in a thread that's aimed primarily at fans of a specific team, to discuss about said team without idiotic baiting and trolling; that's fun in the gameday threads, not in the team season threads.

jesus

you lost to the lions @ home tho

we're 3-0 .... so no we didnt .... oh hey the Vikings are 1-2!

This would be a lot more valid if we didn't completely outplay them and luckboxed a win. But Detroit didn't deserve to be in that game, at all, period. It's getting old.

I personally enjoy trolls coming here in the wake of Bears domination. Instills a sense of pride in the team when we can all gang up on some trolls.

All Bears fans should appreciate this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqrtoFWglMY

I thought for sure that was gonna be this one sines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DzdH-dy0o

Although your link was better, I love how they leave the scrubs out of the hook

don't even have the energy to respond. the Cubs are the most frustrating thing in my life.

aiiiight, let's beat up on these scrubby Gmen tonight.

gimme something to be hated on by my giants friends while at the game.

(barg)




cutlahhhh in person? yes plz.