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Old 04-12-2009, 06:57 PM   #101
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Re: 2009 Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

OK JD needs to be mocked for that. 3 strikes without a swing.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:05 PM   #102
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Re: 2009 Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

what are u gonna do that was sad that young man died and good the angels won the series. next.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:43 PM   #103
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Well, we made it five games into the season before I finally posted:

This David Ortiz stinks!

He must put on a show in practice, or something. He must be a monster in that batting cage under the bleachers.

I feel like I'm living in a modern-day "The Emperor Has No Clothes", and I'm the only guy who sees that Ortiz stinks.
he may not be the player he once was, but you don't seem to understand that there is quite a large difference between being great and stinking, and that players don't have to be one or the other
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ortiz has peaked. reminds me of perdro. once scary as hell to face (and who knows how papi will do this season) but it just seems like he doesn't have it. if he keeps declining and j.d. being so unproductive for his salary, the sox are screwed with left handed hitting.
drew outplayed his salary last year
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:47 PM   #104
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LOL good response...drew def. deserved 14m last year..
You're right. He didn't.

He deserved $18+ million.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:58 PM   #105
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Re: 2009 Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

kyle, that's cool. i didn't realize sites did that.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:13 AM   #106
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kyle, that's cool. i didn't realize sites did that.
fangraphs is ****ing awesome.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:44 AM   #107
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Yeah, I've made fangraphs one of my main sites the last two years, but I had no idea they correlated results with salary.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:56 AM   #108
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Yes. They have made insane strides over the past six months, and IMO they are the best sabermetric/baseball news site out there. Better than Baseball Prospectus, even. And free!
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:48 AM   #109
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he may not be the player he once was, but you don't seem to understand that there is quite a large difference between being great and stinking, and that players don't have to be one or the other
Then how do you propose I word it?

"We've got a Designated Hitter who is terrible at hitting."?

"Our worst hitter bats third."?

Something like that? Because I'm so much more optimistic during the AB's of Ellsbury, Lawrie, and Tek, than I am of Ortiz. If you sat him down and made Lugo the DH, I'd be all right with it, and I'm not even joking...and remember, I'm the guy who made the Lugoat avatar.



(EDIT: OK, I've calmed down a little, and realized that Rocco would make a much better DH than Lugo.)
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:47 AM   #110
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Re: 2009 Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

ellsbury is better (unless ortiz from 05-07 returns) because of defense/position (plus he's likely to get better due to age) and it's possible that lowrie could be better for the same reasons. but if you think any of those three swing a better bat than ortiz, then you sir, are crazy.
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:42 AM   #111
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If you sat him down and made Lugo the DH, I'd be all right with it, and I'm not even joking
it's statements like this which give Red Sox fans a bad name. it's indefensible, stupid, etc etc etc

I would say "it's ok b/c I know you are just speaking in hyperbole, joking around, etc" but you ruled that out yourself
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:54 AM   #112
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Good to see ytf tarding up the thread as usual.
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:56 AM   #113
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Re: Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

BP 2009 rates Ortiz to bat .269/.375/.504 this year. I can live with that.
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:58 AM   #114
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You guys are so delusional. You can duke it out with the Rays for the wildcard... and chances are you'll lose.

Yankees forever.
grizy the only thing about yanks that will go down in history is the biggest choke in sports ever.also yanks will prolly not make playoffs.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:07 AM   #115
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So I'm randomly checking out fangraphs and stuff. They rate Coco Crisp as a pretty atrocious fielder last year. Did I miss something? I thought he and Ellsbury were pretty comparable, with Ellsbury maybe having a slight edge.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:29 AM   #116
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Re: Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

both uzr and plus/minus rated him highly in 2007 and uzr has him a good defender over his career. his 2008 probably doesn't mean anything other than there's a lot of variance in fielding.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:34 PM   #117
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both uzr and plus/minus rated him highly in 2007 and uzr has him a good defender over his career. his 2008 probably doesn't mean anything other than there's a lot of variance in fielding.
Makes sense. That's a ****ton of variance, though. Seems like that alone would it make near impossible to use stats to correctly rate a fielder.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:04 PM   #118
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OK JD needs to be mocked for that. 3 strikes without a swing.
That's just J.D. Drew being J.D. Drew he's always taken a lot of third strikes and terrible swings and misses. He's still a great player.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:15 PM   #119
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Re: Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

oh no doubt. I JD. Just that was brutal, is all. I'll even give Fuentes credit, all 3 strikes were great pitches.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:24 PM   #120
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god youk has been beastly so far
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:47 PM   #121
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ok g'night
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:55 PM   #122
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the pitching on the other hand
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:16 PM   #123
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Re: Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

can we get mike lowell a ****ing wheelchair or something? wtf his range is basically 1/2 step and however far he can bend over
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:42 PM   #124
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Re: Boston Red Sox: Reclaiming the AL East

Damnit......Beckett suspended for 6 games.


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11629701


In hindsight he probably was throwing at him!
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:43 PM   #125
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remember when this year started out so well?
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