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He has to stop trying to throw the ball through a brick wall. That's always been his problem, he doesn't pitch within himself and stabilize his mechanics.

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06-09-2016 , 09:10 PM

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Dynasty

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The Red Sox used the #12 pick in the draft to select Jason Groome, a left-handed high school pitcher.

Many considered Groome to be worthy of the #1 pick but financial demands and possible maturity issues caused his drop.

Jason Groome falls from No. 1 prospect to No. 12 pick in draft

Biographical Bleacher Report article

Sporting News Article

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Jason Groome, LHP, Barnegat (N.J.) High School

Where will he be drafted? No. 3 to Braves (Mayo); No. 5 to Brewers (BA); No. 1 to Phillies (Fangraphs); No. 8 to Padres (Callis).

What they're saying: "Groome has everything to be a top-of-the-rotation left-handed starting pitcher, from his 6-foot-6 frame to the potential to have three above-average to plus offerings. The fastball is already there, up to 96 mph and sitting 92-93 mph over the summer, and in the 90-94 mph range in the early stages of the spring. Groome features a nasty curve as well, with tight rotation and bite." — MLB Pipeline

"At 6-6, 220 pounds, Groome touches 96 mph, but sits 90-94 mph with his fastball. Groome could be a great addition to the Phillies already improved rotation, as he has the makings of a future ace." — Fangraphs

"Groome is unanimously considered the top amateur baseball player in the country." — SI.com

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06-09-2016 , 09:50 PM

#8529

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Here are more Groome articles from before the draft discussing how the previously projected #1 pick was slipping in draft projections.

MLB Draft 2016: LHP Jason Groome is causing chaos at the top of the draft

Why is Jason Groome's stock falling as MLB Draft looms?

How Jersey high schooler’s MLB draft dream became nightmare

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06-10-2016 , 01:41 PM

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youtalkfunny

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Is any draft more of a crap shoot than baseball's?

Still waiting for my Todd van Poppel rookie cards to appreciate.

(I'm going to the game tonight at Target Field.

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06-10-2016 , 04:30 PM

#8531

GMLAW

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Have fun tonight!

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06-10-2016 , 05:31 PM

#8532

JMurder3

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Draft is kind of interesting to look back on.

For example, 2011 draft class includes:
Matt Barnes
Blake Swihart
Henry Owens
Jackie Bradley
Mookie Betts
Travis Shaw

Buuuuut, 2010? The most impactful major league player from that draft so far is almost certainly Brandon Workman.

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06-10-2016 , 06:22 PM

#8533

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I dont even pretend to know anything about the guys in the draft but from what i read/heard about this Groome guy im excited. I hope they are able to sign him.

If this guy is the real deal then im really looking forward to him and Espinoza being a possible killer 1-2 in the rotation.

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06-11-2016 , 11:07 PM

#8534

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So is Bogaerts starting to enter into the converstion of one of the best players in baseball??

The guy plays top level D at a premium position, currently leads the AL in avg (2nd overall). I think i read somewhere that he has the highest avg over the last calender year. The last part of the puzzle is power and he is starting to show the power that it was said he would have from the minors.

Right now id likely put him in the 2nd tier but I think hes knocking on the door to get into the top tier.

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06-13-2016 , 02:54 PM

#8535

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A lot depends on the makeup of your tiers, but I don't think Xander sniffs trout or Harper. His .babip is unsustainable and will surely drop. If we ignore pitchers for the time being I think I could probably name ten position players I'd snap take over Xander if I was forced to be impartial.

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07-03-2016 , 12:37 AM

#8536

kidcolin

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21-2 is cool.

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07-03-2016 , 08:14 AM

#8537

Jbrochu

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Well the wheels fell off this season kind of fast. Hope DD doesn't do anything stupid with the kids trying to salvage a wildcard.

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07-03-2016 , 09:14 AM

#8538

kevin21

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They are gonna trade for Rich Hill when they prob could have signed him in the winter.

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07-03-2016 , 09:27 AM

#8539

Jbrochu

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I'm still pretty sure we can blame Wade Boggs for this.

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07-14-2016 , 06:08 PM

#8540

Prawney

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Apparently Sox just traded for Drew Pomeranz and Espinoza is part of the deal. I try not to get too attached to prospects but I HATE trading away Espinoza

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07-14-2016 , 06:51 PM

#8541

JMurder3

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Eh, it's ok, Michael Kopech, who is 20 & in A Ball (Keith Law #45 prospect) was clocked at 105 mph the other day in a start by 2 separate radar guns. We don't need other prospects when we can get a mediocre pitcher with PetCo-dependant #s.

Actually, just looked it up & Pomeranz has a 2.32 ERA on the road & 2.64 at home.

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07-14-2016 , 06:53 PM

#8542

LFS

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Yeah I don't hate it. If it was a half-season rental, yeah. But if we get anything like this year's performance for the next two and a half years it seems like a very serviceable deal.

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07-14-2016 , 07:07 PM

#8543

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Id be happy if my concerns turn out to wrong. They needed pitching help and if this was the the most they could do without putting Moncada on the market then ill take it.

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07-23-2016 , 07:50 PM

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Are we still using the cold weather excuse for Price sucking?

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07-24-2016 , 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jh12547

Are we still using the cold weather excuse for Price sucking?

How about wind & Rain?

OTOH, if the White Sox are really annoyed at Chris Sale, we can offer them Price even up.

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07-24-2016 , 02:24 PM

#8546

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Brian Bilek ‏@BrianBilek_ 59m59 minutes ago
Source says not to rule out a mega deal with #RedSox acquiring both David Roberston and Jose Quintana. #Dodgers hot on Quintana as well.

I may be alone but this scares the **** out of me. Cant describe how mad/upset ill be if Moncada is traded.

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07-24-2016 , 02:33 PM

#8547

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I dunno. Am excited for Moncada but Quintana is really good and cheap until 2020.

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07-24-2016 , 02:44 PM

#8548

Prawney

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I feel like Moncada has legit superstar equity. If they are to make a trade i think they have enough talent to get it done without including Moncada.

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07-24-2016 , 02:54 PM

#8549

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Would obviously ideal to get Quintana and keep Moncada, lol. But Quintana has put up 5 WAR for the last two years and looks set to do it again. And he's got four controllable seasons left for a total of 35 million or so. That IS a superstar. Pitching is risky so I get the hesitation but it COULD be worth it

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07-26-2016 , 12:27 PM

#8550

outdrawed

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Originally Posted by jh12547

Are we still using the cold weather excuse for Price sucking?

He's 14th in pitcher war so saying he's sucked is a bit much. He definitely hasn't been as good as we've hoped but he's had some bad luck that will almost certainly even out. His k% and bb% are right in line with last year but his babip is almost 50 points higher

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