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04-27-2014 , 07:04 PM
I hate to be a debbie downer for a team 10 games over .500 and in first place but the hitting overall has been atrocious and the offense is 24th in runs scored. If the Braves had an average starting pitching staff, we would likely be in last place. No attention is given to the crap job the hitting coach has done because the pitching side of it has gone so well while the team wins with pitching and defense. Why can't the hitting coach be fired instead of doing his crummy job and collecting a paycheck riding the coattails of the pitching coach's success? It is really tough to win postseason series facing top aces with a one dimensional home run or bust offense.
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04-27-2014 , 11:23 PM
Really you are blaming the hitting coach? Uggla BJ and maybe even Heyward should not be major leaguers. /discussion
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04-28-2014 , 12:15 AM
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Starting pitching goat team month? Gotta be up there
From Dave Schoenfield:

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Can the rotation -- which may get Mike Minor back on Saturday--– keep this up? Well, of course not. It has a 1.57 ERA, with an opponents' batting line of .201/.261/.279. Basically, they've turned the entire National League into Mario Mendoza (career line: .215/.245/.262). Still it's one of the great stretches of dominance I can remember a rotation being on, the ultimate example of one starter seemingly feeding off the next, not to dissimilar from the days of Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz.

Going back 30 years to 1985, here are the starting rotations with a sub-2.00 ERA in a calendar month:

2011 Phillies: June -- 1.96 (27 games)
1985 Cubs: April -- 1.94 (18 games)
1992 Braves: July -- 1.92 (25 games)
2012 Nationals: April -- 1.78 (22 games)
1992 Cubs: July -- 1.72 (24 games)
1994 Braves: August: 1.61 (10 games)
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04-28-2014 , 12:18 AM
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Uggla BJ and maybe even Heyward should not be major leaguers. /discussion
Let's not be so hasty about Jason. His BABIP is on the low side in the early going. What's worrisome is Chris Johnson's BABIP is back from levels in the stratosphere.

Agree on Uggla and BJ. I'm glad to see BJ wearing glasses, for whatever it helps.
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04-28-2014 , 01:07 AM
Heyward will be fine but will frustrate us constantly and yet somehow put up 4-5 WAR.

Uggla is awful and will continue being awful until his inevitable release.

BJ will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Schafer.

Johnson will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Pena.

Justin will regress mightily and do nothing for 2-3 months.

As the world turns..
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04-28-2014 , 08:56 AM
I get the BJ hate, but since getting benched after the Milwaukee series he's gone .231/.318/.321 with a 28% strike out rate.

Certainly not world beating numbers, but much more "below average" instead of just god awful. When you compare to last years .164/.268/.289 and 38% strike out rate he's clearly doing much better.

Not only that, he's stealing bases at a much higher clip than last season when he does get on base.

So I'm not going to just let it slide that BJ is unusable this season.
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04-28-2014 , 10:33 AM
Part of me wants to say F it, we're playing over .667 ball and who cares, ship it.

Another part of me wants to freak out that our offense is horrid and no way our pitching staff keeps this up.
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04-28-2014 , 10:52 AM
Fear not, fine sir.

Exhibit A) Improved offense coming - Wren's not gonna just let this happen




Exhibit B) Pitching success driven by elite defense - which will help stem the tide of regression
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story...espnapi_public
Here is a look at the top teams in terms of defensive runs saved (through Thursday).

Braves: 20
Colorado Rockies: 18
Los Angeles Angels: 15
San Diego Padres: 14
San Francisco Giants: 14

Incredibly, 19 of Atlanta's 20 runs saved have come from the outfield. Defensive stalwart Jason Heyward has 10 of those runs saved in right field, and the Upton brothers have bounced back from subpar defensive seasons to combine for an early seven runs saved.

An elite defensive outfield would be a luxury for every team. However, for the Braves, it is particularly important because of the tendencies of their pitchers. Through Thursday, their ground ball rate of 42.5 percent is the sixth lowest in MLB.

Outfield defense is only one factor that affects batting average on balls in play (BABIP), but the early trends among the fly ball-heaviest pitching staffs match expectations. The Braves, Kansas City Royals and Angels are the three of those 10 teams with at least nine runs saved in the outfield, and all three teams have an overall BABIP allowed of .286 or lower.

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Even with the marriage of their frequent fly balls and an elite outfield defense, chances are the Braves starters won't continue to pitch this well. After all, their staff has stranded 86.0 percent of baserunners, the highest rate in baseball, and only 5.5 percent of their fly balls have left the ballpark, the lowest rate in baseball.

However, even if Harang or Hale falls off individually -- or if they have to deal with another injury -- Minor's return should add an anchor to their rotation for the remainder of the season. And no matter who pitches for the Braves on a given day, their excellent defense should continue to make their pitchers' lives much easier.
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04-28-2014 , 11:35 AM
If it makes anyone feel better Prado currently has an OPS of .548 - just below Heyward in NL standings!
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04-28-2014 , 12:16 PM
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If it makes anyone feel better Prado currently has an OPS of .548 - just below Heyward in NL standings!
Prado is a kinda touchy subject out here in AZ right now......offensively AND defensively. Base running too for that matter.
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04-28-2014 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
I get the BJ hate, but since getting benched after the Milwaukee series he's gone .231/.318/.321 with a 28% strike out rate.

Certainly not world beating numbers, but much more "below average" instead of just god awful. When you compare to last years .164/.268/.289 and 38% strike out rate he's clearly doing much better.

Not only that, he's stealing bases at a much higher clip than last season when he does get on base.

So I'm not going to just let it slide that BJ is unusable this season.
So when cherry picking stats from a random date the best we get is .231/.318/.321. Something is VERY wrong with that.
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04-28-2014 , 01:13 PM
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Let's not be so hasty about Jason. His BABIP is on the low side in the early going. What's worrisome is Chris Johnson's BABIP is back from levels in the stratosphere.

Agree on Uggla and BJ. I'm glad to see BJ wearing glasses, for whatever it helps.
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Heyward will be fine but will frustrate us constantly and yet somehow put up 4-5 WAR.

Uggla is awful and will continue being awful until his inevitable release.

BJ will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Schafer.

Johnson will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Pena.

Justin will regress mightily and do nothing for 2-3 months.

As the world turns..
I should amend my Heyward statement to state "he may not even be major league HITTING material" Obviously he is an elite defender and justifies him playing.

That swing is just awful, maybe there is some truth to the awful hitting coach because I just can't fathom why they let him dive in so ferociously.
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04-28-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hard2tel
Heyward will be fine but will frustrate us constantly and yet somehow put up 4-5 WAR.

Uggla is awful and will continue being awful until his inevitable release.

BJ will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Schafer.

Johnson will keep doing just enough to prevent a platoon with Pena.

Justin will regress mightily and do nothing for 2-3 months.

As the world turns..
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
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04-28-2014 , 02:34 PM
You guys are bitching about all these perceived problems, we're 17-7 bros let's focus on the good.

Or, at least, the REAL problems.

Ryan Buchter is struggling bad (by Buchter standards) at AAA!

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats...pbp&pid=488748
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04-28-2014 , 02:52 PM
Fangraphs has Heyward saving 13! runs so far lolwtfbbqchicken

also i'd like to amend my dan uggla comment. no way he's just getting outright released but he'll definitely get derek lowe'd at some point imo
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04-28-2014 , 03:07 PM
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I should amend my Heyward statement to state "he may not even be major league HITTING material" Obviously he is an elite defender and justifies him playing.

That swing is just awful, maybe there is some truth to the awful hitting coach because I just can't fathom why they let him dive in so ferociously.
His swing really does look pretty terrible at this point. But it looked pretty bad last year too when he was raking so I dunno. His peripherals are trending in the direction of more and more flyballs which will lead to lower babip and hr% so people can't really just look at those low numbers this year and assume runhot is coming. He could just be regressing as a hitter in the search for more power.

god I wish he never changed his swing/approach from his rookie season.
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04-28-2014 , 05:35 PM
Some of that improved outfield is Gattis not being out there. Love the guy but I think I saw where he was -10 runs playing LF.
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04-28-2014 , 05:36 PM
re: Heyward- please move him from leadoff. 2nd or 3rd would be preferable. Would even take 5th or 6th.
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04-28-2014 , 05:52 PM
Sigh as much as I have watched this season there is certainly so aspect of yawn wait 4-5 months and see how we hit look in sept/oct. At this point seems pretty obvious we should be a playoff team only question is winning division or not.
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04-28-2014 , 06:06 PM
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re: Heyward- please move him from leadoff. 2nd or 3rd would be preferable. Would even take 5th or 6th.
I was gonna say maybe move Heyward to 2nd in front of Freeman so he'd get more pitches to hit but then I looked and apparently he's already being thrown fastballs 68.7% of the time??? that seems crazy high. up from 60% and 55% in 2013 and 2012 respectively. BJ's also getting 65.6% fastballs this season..an uptick from his previous seasons. Pitchers are really going after them right now...probably a combination of respect for Freeman/Justin/Gattis and the trouble Heyward/BJ have had with fastballs in the zone..especially BJ
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04-28-2014 , 06:40 PM
Bryce Harper out til early July with a torn ligament in his thumb

I hope we really pull away in the division early. I felt like last year, we had a pretty good grip most of the way, but when we owned the nats in a couple sweeps in I wanna say August, that's when we slammed the door.
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04-28-2014 , 07:13 PM
wow what a huge loss. probably ~2 wins or something.
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04-28-2014 , 10:41 PM
Harper is so aggressive. Coaches love and hate that. Love the WIM and don't want to scale that back, but it leads to reckless injuries. Oh well, good for the Braves.
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04-29-2014 , 12:35 AM
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Bryce Harper out til early July with a torn ligament in his thumb

I hope we really pull away in the division early. I felt like last year, we had a pretty good grip most of the way, but when we owned the nats in a couple sweeps in I wanna say August, that's when we slammed the door.
I agree - hope we pull away early but don't see it happening.
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04-29-2014 , 01:04 AM
meh, i'd be willing to say the braves will atleast hold first for the rest of the season
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