Actually in fantasy football,this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCaOs5tn6Zo ==> 0 pts


A shot from 30 yards in hands of GK ==>2 pts

Yea I understood what you meant but a shot on target is more valuable than hitting the woodwork, so it wouldn't make sense to award 3 points for that when a SOT is only worth 2 points. Also if you give points for hitting the woodwork you should probably give points for other off target shots as well.

Don't agree with this really. If you hit almost a back pass shot at the keeper from 30yards out is that really better than hitting the post/bar from 20yards out? I know which I think is better.

I also think the woodwork idea is a good one to play with, in England there are a lot of training sessions about hitting the crossbar for target practice. For DFS it would even let you do some interesting promos like:
HIT THE POST - if your players hit the post 4 or more times combined, get a refund this weekend'.
Woodwork Winner! - Whichever Fantasy team hits the woodwork the most by the end of the weekend gets xxx prize!'
Crossbar Challenge - Do your players think they're in training?! Hit the bar 3 times and get a free ticket for next weeks game!

I could see that catching on with recreationals, if you're younger than 30 you've probably grown up playing some football, so are well aware of the crossbar challenge down the park with some friends etc, and these are the target customers I'd presume!

The former can result in a goal whereas the latter can't (ignoring rebounds). Anyway a scoring system would get pretty complicated if you started introducing varying points based on shot quality, especially if you are evaluating the shot before you know the outcome (i.e. before you know that it's hit the post or saved or whatever). It's much easier to just differentiate between SOT and off target, with SOT worth more points, and in that case woodwork should count as an off target attempt. I do think the promo ideas you suggested are creative though.

Random question from a lurker: it doesn't happen that often, but sometimes GK make saves on shots that are clearly goint out. How do DFS sites rate those?

If there is a save there is a shot on goal.

Not Agree. MG use Opta same Whoscored.
The 4 best Statistic from Whoscored in order are :
1/ Goals
2/ Assists
3/ Woodwork
4/ SOT

Hit the post or crossbar for 0 pts is a nonsense

Fanaments.com is an option now. Finally got their UK license.

https://twitter.com/Fanaments/status/684776908903575553

Thank you everyone for your discussion and response. UK is fine, my dev team is in UK.

I highly appreciate you all taking the time to discuss it here.

Thanks again,
Joe

What's up with transfer window weirdness on mondo? The client will allow us to have 4+1 players from one team (the +1 just having been transfered), and they say such a team will be invalid. I assume they don't check manually ; if they have an automated check in place, why not reject such a team directly in the client?

That's great news. Its one of the sites that could do really well with their multi-sport offering. Looks like they've introduced a new 200% deposit bonus up to 600 EUR as well!

I've not been around much lately. We've switched to a new platform and have been ironing out a few issues but here's a quick how to play for this game for anyone who's interested.

http://www.fantasyfootballportal.com...lay-fanaments/

We're not quite there yet with the new site but any feedback from here always appreciated.

The model I proposed is on par with Fanaments that is linked in this thread.

We agree that no one likes chopping prizes and are afraid of shut-out like games where there is just not enough fantasy scoring. So we have added passes:

Forwards & Midfielders:

• Goal 5
• Assist 3
• SOT 2
• Shots 1
• Own goal -2
• Yellow card -1
• Red card -3
• Accurate Pass 0.5

Goalies

• Save 1
• Save PK 7
• Goal against -2
• Clean sheet 6

Are their common abbreviations for these?

Thanks,
Joe

I'm assuming an 'accurate pass' leads to a shot or a big chance, and not just any side to side pass (or the numbers would be absurd). If so then either 'key pass' or 'chance created' would be how I'd refer to them.

hrmm, glad I asked:

accurate pass = All accurate passes (excluding throw-ins, keeper throws and crosses)

so use this instead?

total attempted assist = Player assists a shot (including goals). Also known as 'chances created' or key passes.

Keep in mind that the goal is to avoid "ties", i.e. we want to have enough data points when there is a nil-nil game for fantasy scoring to decide who had the better game.

Accurate pass would be really bad stat to use.

Chance created is pretty good.

Personally I think dks scoring is near perfect except for crosses being over powered. Substitute chance created for cross and I'd be pretty happy.

Tackles won and interceptions are both positive stats that should be included as well.

Could someone give me a bit more granular reason to why? "ex: and average MF has 50 accurate passes/game so a goal is now worthless."

You want to achieve a dichotomy in scoring where there is basically an equality between high variance events (goals assists) value and the value of more consistent events. You also want to have the events you are choosing to give credit to be positive football actions that benefit the team.

You shouldn't have players that score a hat trick get outscored by someone who completed a ton of passes.

Possession and accurate passing isn't always a huge plus since if a team scores first and cedes possession their opponents will complete a ton of passes that don't necessarily amount to good chances.

Tackles won, interceptions, fouls won, chances created,and successful dribbles are all far better positive actions that you should look at instead of completed passes.

Hi Joe, It would help if you tell us your stat provider. For example, OPTA is using 'chances created' which is used a lot among analytical dudes. To give you an example, a top player like Ozil is getting 5/6 Chances Created per game, so I guess it would work under your system.

Also, please reduce the PK save. It is totally random. Worse, sometimes it has an EV neutral (when a goalie concedes a PK and saves it luckily).

As for useful stats that reflect the real games, I hate tackles and crosses (which are proven to be negative events in todays games). I really like on top of goal, assist, CS:
- chance created, dribble won, passes completed (attackers)
- interceptions, clearances (defenders)

As Ducksauce said, you weigh those stats accordingly with their number of occurrences (for ex, a top player gets 5 chances created and/or 80 passes, so if a completed pass is worth 1pt, a chance created must be around 16pts)

Tackles won just means dispossesing an opposition player and keeping possession of the ball. Not sure how that's a negative event in any capacity.

It is proven that top defenders hardly use tackles (or as last resorts). With good positioning and anticipation, one never has to tackle. Only in England we love tackles. Read what Xavi Alonso says about it, or the Stam story (where Fergie listened to his analytical guys who said the guy never tackle, sold him and then realised that he never tackled just because his positioning was perfect).

Same goes with crosses. 10y ago, it was used by every team. Now it is an act of despair when a winger/wing back has no other options (or when your team is WBA or Norwich)

And this is tackle won. Most tackles do not get back the possession of the ball and are just used by defenders either (i) because they are desperate, or (ii) to be popular among the crowd

In the last 6 Gameweeks, Aaron Ramsey has completed 442 passes, that averages at 73 a game. You giving 0.5 for each pass means he would be getting 36.8 pts a game, or the equivelant of 5.26 goals a game
He is an outlier by a long way though, most probably only complete 30-40 passes a game. Still, if you reward 0.5 for each of these it would be 17.5pts or 2.5 worth of goals.

So you either have to make it way less for successful passes (0.1?), or use another stat such as chances created (so someone plays the last pass to another player for a shot), and reward that 1, since it is very rare for anyone to get more than 7 of these in a match - 7pts, so exactly what a goal is worth (5 goal, 2 for SOT)

The reason why it wouldn't be good to reward accurate passes are similar to some of the criticism aimed at Manchester united this season - they have all the possession, pass side to side really well, but it isn't entertaining unless they're creating clear cut chances. By rewarding accurate passes you are rewarding just holding the ball, instead of risk taking aggressive plays (towards goals).

I too support interceptions, clearances being included. I realise that you want to make a game easy for the recreational punter to play, but football scores are so much lower than nfl or basketball that you need to reward more stats than just goals/shots/assists. There are limited number of attractive players in the league if you only reward goals/shots/assists, meaning more similar/duplicate lineups. By including more stats you get more unique lineups which I would assume is a more attractive proposition? No one likes logging on and seeing in a 7 man team 5 are the same.

Re penalites - I agree the scoring is too high for them, however what would peoples feelings be about penalties only being classed as 'saves' if they are actually that - saved. So off target/woodwork saves don't get any rewards? I know that this is still luck based, but not quiet as much.

It is infurating that a player can make a perfect last ditch tackle, when they player is one on one - that sends the ball toward the corner flag, but if the opposition team regains the ball it isn't classed as a succesfull tackle.
The way we interpret these things has to improve.

I believe what Bigo is refering to is really interesting, read this article and loved it, about the player Midtylland signed - Tim Sparv 'the no-stats all star' - https://decorrespondent.nl/2607/How-...86155-d2948861
PS I pm'd you Joe

Winning a tackle doesn't necessarily mean going to ground.