I like DK as well but I don't think crosses should be weighted as a full point. I mean I understand it's a full point and I use that in my analysis but it's just kind of ridiculous in the sense that we all know a cross in general is a low probability scoring event but it gets the same weight as a shot attempt. There's also some vagaries as to what constitutes a cross by the various stats providers

There's just not a lot more though they could use and I get that. I mean I would like through balls included but it's kind of an auxillary stat.

I think a way to really turn the Defender options on their head on DK would be to maybe make a Defender goal worth 20. As it is right now nobody is picking a centerback unless they're also a penalty taker.

Maybe if they included tackles it would change the analysis a bit.

Tackles and interceptions would be great

I like the MG scoring a lot more because every position can score decent points while on DK CB's and DM's for example are usually un-pickable.

I really like that being a good player and being a good player for dfs are not that strongly correlated. It gives people who actually think an extra edge and at heart I'd love to be a degen but I'm too disciplined to be one so I quite enjoy yelling at my tv asking for my fullback to play a dumb cross.

lolol - yeah same.

It's scary how far to take it though, ie. when fantasy thinking seeps into your regular soccer thinking ... the other day I was like"I bet Harrison Afful could hang in Belgium or a similar league" just cause he's come into MLS and given zero ****s .... it's impressive when a dude shows up blasting 6 crosses a game even when he's away to NYRB. Clearly terrible logic.

I had a shot at more MLS trips tonight. Was trailing going into the last game and I reverse engineered Hamba's lu to have Keane left so I pivoted to GDS + Dempsey but I see the little leprechaun has scored already so that dream is dead. One other lu above me had Obafemi so that was dead too.

I read his point and think he was saying along the line there is not much increase in unique players same faces playing and winning.

So I see it more like how sustainable it is for MondoGoal to keep offering GPP with bigger pots and where rooms are not filling at £2 and now £3.

How many will be be able to keep playing the GPP if they moved the entry upwards to £4, £5 etc... ?

Am I a casual player ? No. I been playing DFS sites since the world cup in 2010 and starting with the now defunct Totel Football.

I am not bothered on winning big jackpots (worse odds than winning an accumulator), just increasing football and player knowledge across the major leagues and looking for steady consistent ROI.

I play around 8-10 DFS football sites, not easy with all their different rules and pricing models. Think Mondogoal has great potential if they introduce innovative features starting with late swap and subbing non-starting players. Making team editing much more user friendly etc...

They need to engage in full with steady players who have been there from the start, winning and losing gracefully. Also increase the volume of new unique players and retain them to make them steady one's. Just announcing bigger pot GPP is one of the myriad of ways. Innovate and not stagnate is my feedback.

Out of the new DFS football sites, the smoothest to play is SportDraftr. Needs formation variety, scoring and general feel of the platform makes most others look clunky & cumbersome.

My first post in the forum and look forward to participating here too.

Nice forum and informative threads & posts.

Standard UK scoring follows the hugely popular Fantasy Premier League. Player salary pricing wildly differs from site to site in both seasonal and DFS games.

The all round scoring points which includes varied defensive actions, as well as the offensive actions is mainly used in non-seasonal platform's. Playon and Mondogoal come to the forefront in these type of scoring.

Draft Kings scoring being different may appeal or deter, time will tell. More likely it will take players a while to get used to it, so will just picking 8 players.

Same method applies with contest selection and bankroll management. I personally find Draft Kings adverts in the US a bit lame, toning it down in the UK might help. There is bookmakers galore here and we are used to adverts telling us we can strike it big time.

Welcome to the forum 'Garrincha67', hope you like it here =)

Im not sure the GPP entry will move up consistently, I think they want to see how the increase affects numbers. I would love to see the data on max teams before this week and this week. I am not sure it affects the regular players choices as much, although I can see it pissing off people.

I think that when DK comes to the market, this will shake up things, so far I have not seen a single VIP programme (that is viable). I think that "locking" people in now may well brace them for impact, but it has to be backdated.

In regards to advertising, I am not sure the current US model of "showing off winners" is the way to do it. I think they need more celebrity endorsement than what I view as "cheesy and annoying" adverts.

I was not aware of " SportDraftr", you learn something new every day, I will take a look, how is the liquidity on there?

Thanks for the welcome and great forum with wealth of information. In full agreement with the Draft Kings adverts, lacking subtlety and they have a full public relation disaster now as it is with data leaks & integrity of their operation.

DFS is having its own boom in start-ups wanting to emulate Draft Kings & Fan Duel. DraftPot are coming to the UK too have applied for a license. Their game will be based with no salary cap and first platform to use that.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenhe...ports-startup/

SportDraftr is very new too and only been open to play the past few weeks. They offering free-rolls for Premier League and Champions league games with prize pool of £100-£250. Think they can eventually aim to be a medium sized DFS platform. Have a look in here for those in beta or going to open for play soon.

http://betalist.com/startups/search?q=fantasy

Mondogoal has a head start in the leagues and competitions they offer and it is a full on slate pretty much every day now. I like their platform a lot, just needs small polish here and there.

Welcome Garrincha67 ... some nice links there.

I'm a fan of MG scoring. I always thought 0.05 was too low for an interceptions but now that seems to have been increased to 0.25 ... does anyone know when that happened and if it was communicated?

A lot of other newish sites are sticking with the double points for captains which is common with traditional season long fantasy football. What's the general view on here about a multiplier for captains points?

Look forward to sharing more info Britton. I have just checked my email and there is nothing regarding scoring changes for interceptions. 0.25 is right adjustment. They do send regular email's on any new updates & features, like last week's addition of Roto Wire news under player information.

On multiplier with captain points I can see the attraction for that in seasonal games. But on daily fantasy platform's it is just unnecessary addition to the variance that exists as it is, so most have avoided this feature.

FantasyBet which is the closest daily fantasy site with scoring based on the Fantasy Premier League game have decided to use the captain multiplier feature. https://www.fantasybet.com/

Fanaments which is new too allows the captain feature. The scoring is different to the Fantasy Premier League and interesting to see how it goes there. They offer La Liga, UFC, NBA and currently waiting for a UK license and one to keep an eye on with good potential as a fun platform. https://www.fanaments.com/lobby

The others with captain feature I can recall is Premier Punt and scoring is much similar to the Fantasy Premier League. https://premierpunt.com/

Also Fan Team allows captain feature but player pricing is not their forte and all over the place. https://www.fanteam.com/

I am more on the side of keeping variance at a good balance to keep us all engaged and make it fun play. Captain feature just adds too much variance than necessary.

I am seeing this now and the story is making it to the major media outlets. DFS in the US might have bitten more than it can chew, think it can carve a niche of its own in the UK in between season games and outright sports betting with bookmakers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/sp...vals.html?_r=0

Would not like Captain Bonus introduced anywhere that I play.

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Agree about Fanaments ... we reviewed this game recently - the lobby is impressive and their live scoring is much better than the other sites you mentioned. Just a shame they do the captain multiplier.

A few of the older MG reviews scattered around the net are still showing 0.05 for passes intercepted btw. Maybe they changed it at the start of the new season.

Morning all!

I got a feeling that a lot of sites think they can just copy the FPL game and be an instant success.

The FPL game is popular, but because it is official and easily accessible (and free). It is not the most commonly played game because the rules are good (in my opinion). I think there is a real danger that nearly all of these sites with similar FPL scoring will fail long term without adapting.

I spent 2012 trying to design and build my own DFS soccer site for the UK and spent a LOT of time thinking about the game. In regards to captains, I felt they would increase variance a lot, and should not be introduced, unless the skill gap between the winners and losers (regs) was too great.

I recall passes were 0.05 last season on Mondo.

In regards to this scandal, it could EASILY have been avoided. I worked at Stars for four years and the number of people that could access hand histories was minimal. The only Support Staff that had access was my team (The Poker Team). I ask this question, why does that Middle level CONTENT MANAGER need to have access to lineups pre lock?

The more I think of it, why does any employee need to be able to see a player's lineup? The way I see it, a player can edit until lock and I don't see what "publicly viewed" benefit the company has on being able to view that data. I can only see the negatives (I must be missing something).

Just read an article by Ed Miller about this subject
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...sy-Sports.aspx

Here is a follow up to that in an article posted today.

https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news...ker-or-dfs-644

Ultimately be it betting, trading, playing DFS etc... It is up up to the person to decide what return of investment they are happy with. All these millionaire maker is a lot of nonsense in DFS, as one can play the lottery for that as well.

In DFS, key being bankroll management, not just chasing after any big prize pool pots and astute contest selection and buy-in's.

The big attraction for me is that a mature DFS industry can allow me to play and be profitable in the long term. It allows a lot of flexibility with my time and can be played from most places with good internet connection. Otherwise I will have to grind a 9 to 5 job, handing control of my precious time to someone else.

People play the lottery all the time too. Maybe those huge GPP's are nonsense for pros but most of the people are recs and it's a lot more fun to play these than the lottery.

Regarding the long term profitability of DFS I am not so sure about that. Right now it's awesome but the same thing that happened to poker I think will happen with DFS but much quicker. It's not that hard to create a very good line up and more and more pros will flock to the DFS sites and edges will get thinner. Also if a good DFS player simply posts some good picks online then there won't be a lot of exploiting of the people who simply ~ copy/paste them. DFS is ultimately too easy to play well.

So what do you think the effect would be on the games if players were limited to 1 Entry per GPP?

I think that repeat winners/high cashes would be very hard to pull off. I think it would result in a lot of similar teams, with a few defensive preferences deciding what could be a lot of money.

Few new faces in the games today, excited for this slate as I think it's not very easy. I'm not too concerned with the GPP today, will only be taking one entry. I feel that trying to win £100 from £3 doesn't justify multiple entries. I considered not entering at all, but where is the fun in that?

If there's enough bad players in a millionaire maker it can essentially be viewed as a slightly easier double up with potential upside greater than doubling your entry.

I have no clue how many bad players are typically in those contests, though.

Did a small sweat stream for MondoGoal this evening on Twitch, wasn't much, kind of like a poor man's "Soccer Saturday".

I plan to do the same again tomorrow for the Euro qualifiers, feel free to join at twitch.tv/goldendonkey

Nice to see new names in MondoGoal Euro Qualifier contests.

Win4food is a funny nick, hope he does exactly that.

Poor man's Soccer Saturday looks fun, first live MondoGoal sweat. Thanks!

Dark Horses for Euro 2016 looks Austria. 66/1 with Bet365. I will take that each way.

So from Daily fantasy to the world's first player trading exchange.

Trading the players like commodities at financial exchanges.

Wonder what will come up next ?

https://www.buabook.com/

https://twitter.com/BuaBook

The guaranteed prize pool will shrink to the point where it will not be worth all the hustle. Mondgoal has just around under 600 unique players for the £10k GPP contest last weekend and the they have not filled it once. So with limited to 1 entry the prize pool will be around £700 GPP.

Not played Draft Kings yet, but the issues are all the same. Getting more paying unique players registered while keeping the game fun for all including multi-entrants. Hence why you see the shrill Draft Kings and Fan Duel adverts to get more sign-ups. You can not offer millionaire maker relying on people doing multi-entries.