Not everyone is as obsessed with wesrwood as you are, I guess. This ran with no problem at all and the winners were paid promptly.

Go away.

this is well into troll territory now.

did wes mismanage his bets and finances? yes. but i dont think there was ever a doubt that he was eventually going to pay people back. he knows people irl here and has run a lot of successful leagues. im not saying he's a golden angel or anything, because yeah it's sh*tty what he did, but i dont think hes close to being a scammer.

a scammer is someone who disappears. as someone in a league where the commish totally disappeared (a baseball league found here - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...94/index4.html) there are PLENTY of people worth stalking and berating and trolling. wes screwed up but hes not a scammer

THIS.

Lol at every single post this ****cake has made. Claiming he has no previous history with wesrwood.. I guess it's just a major coincidence that 90% of his posts on this forum are in his threads bitching about him as an escrow, and yet I've never seen him in any other threads about bad escrows (You know, ones where the escrow completely disappears and nobody gets paid ever.). And now he comes into a thread where wesrwood runs a league and pays it out perfectly and STILL tries to start ****. Holy **** dude, did wesrwood shoot your puppy or something?

Here are some awesome NHG quotes

Hey guys! It all makes sense it's just "one of his biggest beefs"!!!!

I guess that explains his participation in the tdomeski/wardrums threads. Oh, wait, YOU NEVER POSTED ANYTHING in those thread. With exception to this one post quoting Precept where Precept says wesrwood in a good commish and NHG just LOLs at it (providing 0 content to the Wardrums issue)


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Dear Not Hockey Guy,

SHUT THE **** UP.
GET THE **** OUT.

Nobody cares about you or what you think.

Sincerely,
Everybody.

You guys are hilarious.

I'm a troll because everything I've posted is 100% factual? Seriously, find something.

You take me more to task for asking questions than a guy that has done some really sketchy stuff & now refuses to answer anything about it? Wow!

I guess it's totally okay to escrow funds, even though you're on record that you hate to escrow, when you already know the escrowed funds from the other escrow you're running has been misappropriated. Nobody thinks that maybe that should be divulged at that time? Perfect.

A fool & his money are soon parted.

Carry on. I'm done.

What? You guys need to stop turning on your blinders because you like wesrwood. He knowingly agreed to escrow a new bet while losing some of the escrow money in another? Are you guys insane? How are you defending this?

I guess I will help you guys out.

Nutshot: That doesnt ****ing matter, thats not how things work. It just isnt. This is effectively how ponzi schemes work. And you are defending it? He accepted more money to effectively pay back money he didnt have. Look at the time frames. He must of some sort of influx of cashing coming in around super bowl time, which is why he wanted to run this, to use these funds to help make the time people had to wait in his other escrows less.

Movieman: " i dont think there was ever a doubt that he was eventually going to pay people back"...come on man. Were you born yesterday? Like seriously. These stories are a dime a dozen, I am not going to even bother explaining to you why this is wrong.

"a scammer is someone who disappears"...LOLOLOLOLOO NO. A Scammer is someone who deceives for gain. He gained from running this thread. it helped him sped up payment in his regular season escrows he didnt have money for. Whether he stays or leaves isnt ****ing important. He also scammed by letting people who had no permission access the funds he had in escrow(apparently he didnt even have access), he deceived people into thinking he was escrowing when it wasnt.

Also people shouldn't be escrowing money greater than that of their current disposable income. They just shouldnt. It should probably be a much smaller fraction(like 1/4th,, but thats up for opinion). When his "cousin/brother/bookie/therapist" or whoever decided to take the money out of the paypal, he should have funds to cover it. How he volunteered to escrow funds greater than his current disposable income and nobody seems to care is insane.

O also:



..cool beans

No one has been defending Wes and no one is saying how he's handling this isn't bad, but at least he's dealing with it

I don't see the point in piling on to him, or see what good it does. If you want to attack someone, help find wardrums or horrorshow, two guys who actually scammed people out of money

Horrowshow scammed people? Link?!



Edit - yeah movieman nailed it. Wes handled this bad, but he's making it right. There are people (NHG) who are invested a lot of effort into bashing Wes while there are other guys out there that have made less effort (or none at all) to pay people back (Wardrums/tdomeski). And yet, for some reason, NHG and co don't care about those guys. They want to spend their time criticizing the guy who made a mistake and is actually fixing it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...94/index4.html

He's completely disappeared from our baseball league, never paid anyone out.

Won't respond to my email or Facebook messages

This league was a effectively ponzi scheme. you do realize that though right? Just think about it.

It was ran to help cover the debts of other leagues.

You guys acting like this league should be left alone IS defending him.

You guys trying to devalue NHG's posts IS defending him.

Get out of here with this whole nobody is defending him bull****. Thats exactly what you guys are doing.

And how is volunteering to escrow but letting someone else hold the funds not deceit/scamming? What if that persons as wardrums/horrorshow who was in charge of the Paypal account that wes was having the money transferred to? Now obviously this isnt the case, but who is to say that person, that NOBODY KNOWS, isnt morally more dubious then them? or of the same level? You guys are insane for making any post trying to lessen the blow he gets for this, merely because he paid back.

And there are a lot of reasons NHG could be choosing wes, maybe he wasnt up to date or following those, or maybe its because everybody is denouncing him, when that wouldnt be the case in the others. What would be the point?

You guys are sitting here trying to lessen the blow, so maybe he feels the need to make a point.

And people were defending wes WAY before he even paid back all the debts.

He made his point. He made his point about 6 times. We are just sick of reading it. Do you have anything new to add to the thread?

Take a deep breath for now. Come back in August when new league are forming, then bump these threads.

Nothing productive is coming of the threads anymore.

this is a bit convoluted, but im not defending wes's morals, im just saying that he's still paying people back, so what's the point of arguing about anything at this point?

deceit and scamming are different imo, so even if its just semantics, i dont think wes is scamming anyone like wardrums/tom/horrorshow.

precept is right, what's the point in piling on at this point?

This league had nothing to do with the other one and this money wasn't used to pay anyone that was owed. So keep trying to find things to come at me with I don't give a ****

Wes posted in his other thread on Jan 10th saying he owes money. Would you guys have been fine with Wes creating a new FF league thread to escrow on, say, Jan 15th(For Olympics, or whatever, it doesnt really matter)? Would this have been acceptable to you guys?

Because you guys realize the only difference between the situation above and the situation from this thread is that in this thread only he knew. Which is worse, because it involves deceit again. If he could get people to escrow money with him with knowing he had debts, that would be somewhat impressive.

Wes can you explain the rationale behind this thread?

You're wrong about the other part. I knew. I know him IRL. It's called trust. Also, Wes has hosted enough leagues around here to be given a little leeway. He's paying out all moneys owed.

Seriously, what's your point here? Nothing you say now hasn't been said. Come back in August with your agenda that way can you have your posts be read with good intent.

It's hard to believe wesrwood turned out to be a scammer.

I know nobody saw that coming.

I'm sure this is all just a tiny misunderstanding.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...000-a-1703148/