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I'm just saying they have all the leverage, since you're about to lose that pick if you don't lose it. Probably sellers will be bent over by the buyers.

Yeah I think that depends on how much you like that player. I know what your saying but if a player falls and you want him and you know you aren't going to be able to get him unless you move up......you may be willing to part with a 3rd round pick next year.

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03-19-2014 , 03:15 PM

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waterwolves if you want an established wideout for a 1st round pick, let me knooooooow.

Yeah I'm open to trading any of my 1st round picks. I'm interested in 2015 1st's too. Plus I'm dumb so you can probably rip me off.

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03-19-2014 , 03:33 PM

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Ya trading picks for next year picks has no impact on your roster size. So there's obviously a benefit to trading them over losing them. However some savvy drafters will obviously know when a person hasn't dropped enough guys, and that picks will be burned, or lost.

And ya, no more than 20 at any time. The "trick" is obviously a play around D's and K's to squeeze a few more out of that.

I think I really need to expand the rules for the draft to be more clear.

My understanding is if that you automatically lose the picks based on the number of releases. As such, you cannot trade post-release period picks that are no longer yours.

For example, if a team releases 3 players, he can no longer trade his 4th round pick as that pick no longer exists. Since, after he released 3 players, he cannot draft in the 4th round as that would put him over 20 players, that pick no longer exists and he cannot trade that pick.

Of course, he is allowed to trade such a pick before the release period.

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03-19-2014 , 03:38 PM

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Ok hold on I need some clarification on the drafting and dropping of players. How many rounds is the draft?

Also I have

3 first round picks
0 second round picks
1 third round pick
1 4th round pick
1 5th round pick
1 6th round pick

So lets say I only want to draft 3 players in the first round and 1 player in the 3rd round. I have to drop 4 players to fit those players on my team right? If I trade my 4th-6th round picks for future picks I don't have to drop any other players this year right? So basically you can't hold more than 20 players on your roster at all times. Right? I mean I'm not dropping like 18 players to draft 3 players in the first round or something stupid like that.

So, the following rules apply for waterwolves:

Since waterwolves traded a 2nd round pick to NDFAN (2nd round, 9th pick), and he currently has 3 picks before that pick, he MUST release at least 3 players. He is not allowed to release less than 3 players.

If he releases 3 and exactly 3 players, he forfeits his 3rd-6th round picks. Since these picks no longer exist, they are not tradeable.

I really hope this all makes sense - I'm glad we're hammering all of this out now.

As for the waiver issue - I also vote that we do a random order this year but use carry-over for future years.

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03-19-2014 , 03:47 PM

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It would be nice to see who was there in the 3rd before i drop a player. Not sure why that would screw anything up. Let's say it's my pick in the 3rd round.

I could trade the pick for a player at which time i would have to drop a player to fit the player i traded for on my team.

I could trade the pick for a future pick in which case i would not have to drop a player.

I could simply say pass and not make a selection.

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03-19-2014 , 03:50 PM

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Yeah but it makes sense to drop guys before, because if you drop them mid-draft, how do we draft them? I agree, drop them all before.

There's something to be said about being able to carry 1-2 more guys after the draft, at which point we have cuts. But anyway, I don't mind either way.

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03-19-2014 , 03:50 PM

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It would be nice to see who was there in the 3rd before i drop a player. Not sure why that would screw anything up. Let's say it's my pick in the 3rd round.

I could trade the pick for a player at which time i would have to drop a player to fit the player i traded for on my team.

I could trade the pick for a future pick in which case i would have to drop a player.

I could simply say pass and not make a selection.

This would not work. Teams must be able to draft players released from other teams. Obviously, if you had the choice to "see who was there in the 3rd before I drop a player," this would destroy the draft.

"I could trade the pick for a player at which time i would have to drop a player to fit the player i traded for on my team. " - this would also violate the rule of 20. At no time can any team have more than 20 players. I know that your'e saying that dropping a player would put you at the 20 mark, but this would also indicate that just prior to dropping him, you had 21 players.

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03-19-2014 , 04:07 PM

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Ok no worries. I understand now.

If anybody is interested in a 2014 3rd round pick for a 2nd round 2015 pick hit me up. This draft isn't top heavy but it is the deepest draft ever.

Also it would be nice to be able to at least trade the pick last minute for a future pick. I know what rafiki is saying the person that owns the selection won't be able to pick a player so he won't have much leverage but i could see a scenario where I would give up a future 2nd for a 3rd if there was a player there i loved and i knew he wouldn't be there when I picked.

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03-19-2014 , 04:10 PM

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Ya I'll probably try to package 2 picks in this draft for 1 in the next or something.

I'm also maybe going to be the guy that holds on to his kicker. I like my kicker

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03-20-2014 , 09:42 AM

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So, for example, if you release only 2 players, you only get two draft picks.

this is what i understand to be standard in my eyes i guess. i guess i dont see why you should even have a 3rd pick to be able to trade in this scenario.

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How is it being a bitch to not care either way? lol @ u.

in my past experience with FF it ends up being 6-8 ppl voting and no one else wants to say or vote. i find this rather annoying and pretty lame IMO. if you vote it should be private anyways in less you want to reveal your vote. if votes are private it doesnt seem like its asking a lot to vote instead of riding the fence per usual just because you dont care or dont want to hurt someones feelings (were all guys here arent we) if your feelings are hurt over FF then lol U.

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03-20-2014 , 09:48 AM

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Hey are the divisions set for life, or do we put in the charter that at one point, the league can vote to rebalance?

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03-20-2014 , 09:51 AM

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6 round draft seems excessive too. It's not a big deal but 4 rounds seem like it would be fine and then picking players up would just move to the WW process after that.

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03-20-2014 , 10:03 AM

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6 round draft seems excessive too. It's not a big deal but 4 rounds seem like it would be fine and then picking players up would just move to the WW process after that.

I think 6 is fine personally, since people will draft D's and even some K's potentially. between rookies and dropped players, I'm sure half the league will go 6 players in the draft. And who wants to waste waiver on snagging their kicker? Not me.

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03-20-2014 , 10:43 AM

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Let waivers clear and pickup free agent kicker and defense.

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03-20-2014 , 03:03 PM

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this is what i understand to be standard in my eyes i guess. i guess i dont see why you should even have a 3rd pick to be able to trade in this scenario.

Agree. You may only draft the number of players equal to how many you released. If you only release 2 players, you keep your first two draft picks, the rest are forfeited. If you end up trading away a draft pick (during the draft) you SHOULD not get your old picks back.

in my past experience with FF it ends up being 6-8 ppl voting and no one else wants to say or vote. i find this rather annoying and pretty lame IMO. if you vote it should be private anyways in less you want to reveal your vote. if votes are private it doesnt seem like its asking a lot to vote instead of riding the fence per usual just because you dont care or dont want to hurt someones feelings (were all guys here arent we) if your feelings are hurt over FF then lol U.

I just don't see why somebody should be forced to vote for something if they truly do not care. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Hey are the divisions set for life, or do we put in the charter that at one point, the league can vote to rebalance?

Fine with set for life. Eventually, one division will be much stronger, but it will even out in the long run.

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6 round draft seems excessive too. It's not a big deal but 4 rounds seem like it would be fine and then picking players up would just move to the WW process after that.

Agree, 6 seems excessive. I guess we could leave it at 6 max though, but I don't see a lot of teams having 6 guys that they want to release.

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Then don't. Wait till the waiver period clears.

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03-20-2014 , 03:05 PM

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Did puzzles hack into your account? Your logic is very off.

When puzzles inevitably starts the 2014 season 2-5, do you think he'll trade me 2015 first round picks then? Of course not, so I have to get this trade completed in the offseason. Even after the draft, when he drafts 8 more WRs and 0 RBs, he is less likely to trade. . .

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I guess I missed this

I'll take o2 wins in my first 7 games for whatever amount you want. Deal?

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03-20-2014 , 03:06 PM

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Agree, 6 seems excessive. I guess we could leave it at 6 max though, but I don't see a lot of teams having 6 guys that they want to release.

My proposal is no limit on the amount of released players, and therefore, no limit on the number of rounds (though, technically, the limit would be 20.)

As most teams will not release more than 4-5 players, a team who releases 10 players will simply be the only team in the later rounds picking. As such, having more than 6 rounds would not be excessive.

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03-20-2014 , 03:07 PM

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No - I shouldn't have used the word "inevitably." I should have used the word "probably."

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03-20-2014 , 04:12 PM

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Do we want put in some kind of rule for what happens if someone drops out of the pool? Just define how we'd get someone new, etc...

If the team was really bad, would we need some sort of expansion draft to get back to 12?

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03-20-2014 , 05:23 PM

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Yeah that's fine.

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No - I shouldn't have used the word "inevitably." I should have used the word "probably."

But if I "probably start 2-5" it's still +EV for you to take the bet.

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03-20-2014 , 05:25 PM

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Yeah that's fine.

But if I "probably start 2-5" it's still +EV for you to take the bet.

lolkuta

I shouldn't have used the word "probably." I should have used the word "possibly."

There are a lot of changes to the proposed rules that I want to make. However, it would be helpful if I received suggestions or criticisms as I do not want to waste my time making multiple drafts.

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03-21-2014 , 10:28 AM

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I think if an owner quits on us letting whoever takes over that team play the first year free is a decent option. That year will have already been paid for by the owner that quit so it will have no effect on the prize pool. They would still have to pay $100 for the next year before they could join. Ultimately it's pretty hard to get another owner to take over a bad team. So putting something in place that will offer some incentive for someone to come in and try to rebuild a team is a good idea.

Hell we still may not be able to convince somebody to take over a bad team.

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03-21-2014 , 04:11 PM

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Good post wolves! It's true the year will have been paid, so I agree that we just give them the year free like that. I'd be *tempted* to give them 1st overall in the theoretical upcoming draft too, just to make it a snap that they'd take over, assuming the team was in the bottom 1/3rd of the league. God forbid one of us dies or something nuts like that, then it should be easier to take over a good team. Also I think if an owner isn't heard of 72 hours before draft day (like vanishes, banned, whatever), we gotta assume we need to find a new owner.

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03-21-2014 , 07:05 PM

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1st overall?? Lol no way , why should the team who was supposed to get first pick be punished? I think your way too worried about this, I see people take over piece of **** dynasty teams all the time.