so are we not doing a vote anymore?

this whole situation can be avoided via some of the suggestions that have been provided. accusing people of tanking is more then likely going to rub ppl the wrong way, which will turn into another fiasco to deal with.

yea sorry im not down with this, not knowing anyone personally.
tell me if im wrong, but i get the feeling you think we should just should not address anything that could become an issue until it happens

Can anyone give a decent counter-argument to a lotto for the bottom 3? There must be some reason they use it in hockey and basketball? We all agree that the bottom 3 stand to be the worst in the league, but that within those 3 it is probably not obvious who the very worst is. So by using a lotto we'd eliminate most of the incentive to tank.

sent pm to JETS SUK just in case

what do you mean by lotto? Just a rand?

gs got to tomorrow noon?

is this correct?

Ya bottom 3 teams are randomly picking for 1st. 4th worst team picks 4th, the other 3 can get any order 1 through 3. I don't think anyone can come up with an argument that says that team 12 is really worse than team 10 on a consistent basis, so having those 3 teams draw for 1st seems fair and accomplishes what we want.

I can support this.

My first choice is still a loser bracet with 11th and 12th getting byes, but anything that isn't a reversed standing is fine with me.

I think a final 4 between the bottom 4 teams for 1-4 or 11v12 for 1/2 and 10v9 for 3/4 and 7v8 for 5/6 are better choices to insure bottom 4 teams get the best picks

I'm fine with any of these options, I just like the symetry of the other idea better.

Trust issues, much?

My bad for wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt because I don't expect anybody to try and cheat. If you really think somebody tanking is that likely, then maybe you shouldn't join leagues on this site, especially a dynasty.

Should we also not allow trades so there can't be any collusion? I mean, you don't know anybody, right? Can't give them the benefit of the doubt when $100 is on the line...

6pm est. it's dead between 12a-6pm, and the last pick was just before midnight.

I don't really see the issue with a system that is both fair and logical though. Seems like only upside.

Whole league is talking about how starting Gabbert is basically the Jags tanking to draft another elite QB. If an NFL franchise can do it, I don't see why a random 2p2'er couldn't in theory?

But mostly the thing that I'd want to avoid the most is just the misinterpretation of tanking. Some guy can't get to his lineup in time on week 15, and ends up starting a bunch of guys who end up being out. Could be an innocent mistake, could be viewed as tanking.

good for you if you wanna trust everyone like no one ever does wrong. i just prefer to see peoples actions before i trust people thats all.

so now i should quit or not join any leagues because i dont trust everyone right off the get go? sorry for being a little skeptical after i checked out the last dynasty league in this forum.

most leagues allow the league to veto a trade if its deemed unfair (usually by 3 or 4 votes if i remember correctly). anything else?

I agree. Don't let his condescending and demeaning tone get to you. After reading the last 16 pages and his tiffs with multiple members in this league (people he doesn't even know), I'm beginning to think he is just trolling us.

Anyway, I agree with the poster above who recommended 11th and 12th seeds get byes in the consolation bracket. This would ensure that the 11th and 12th seeds could not receive anything worse than the 4th pick.

do you even math bro?

noon tomorrow

he has 18 hours today, then dead period, back on clock at 6am tomorrow for 6 more hours, noon

am/pm thing was a typo, my bad.

Forgot gs has back-to-back picks.

the real problem with tanking isn't that people unfairly gets the next years 1st pick. It is rather the implications on standings in the league. Giving other teams walk-overs when they are in contention for play-offs etc.

If a person goes 1-8 the season is a lost cause. Knowing that at least he gets a 1st pick next year, the owner could easily give up on his team and this league, untill next years draft. If not by going all out and tanking, then at least by paying little to no attention to the dealings of the league. Many good trades can be lost etc.

By having some sort of mechanism, no matter how small, to prevent this, we not only make this a more fair league, We also make a more competitive and fun league as well.

This has nothing to do with trust issues. Just real life.

You guys want to make it as difficult as possible for the worst team in the league to improve through the draft to avoid tanking? Smh

Definitely should have worked these things out before we paid. Lol at a $100 being enough incentive to keep the worst team here when they get the 4th pick.

There's already been mention of making it so that the worst team couldn't get 4th. We could use a system where a team could drop no farther than 1-2 spots (like the nhl).

I think it's also been mentioned a fair bit that the worst team in the standings will probably rarely be the worst team of the bottom 3. It may just be the one with the most injuries that year.

We could do:

seed bottom 3 teams by points scored. Lotto for those 3, and you can't drop more than 1 place. Also makes the lotto fun.

You got it the wrong way around. We want to make it as difficult as possible to become the worst team.

Well if you guys think it will help keep this league together for 10 years I'm all for it. I mean that's the goal right? Have a fun competitive dynasty league for 10 years?

Whatever we can do to develop a long lasting fun competitive league we should do. There is going to be bad teams. They are going to want to quit. It happens in every dynasty league. What are we going to do to keep them interested? What are we going to do to keep the playing field as level as possible (obviously some teams are still going to have edges). I think that is our biggest obstacle.

I vote live rookie draft in Vegas every year?

dont be such a debbie downer water, youve been thinking people are gonna quit from the get go if things dont work out we can revisit it down the road.

EDIT water check your pms

Yeah I know teams never quit dynasty leagues? What was I thinking?

remember BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT! well the way everyone was talking they sounded committed to this.

at the end of the day if majority of the group wanna do 12-1 thats fine with me, however i really feel like final four between losers is way to go i dont think 7-8 should be involved in the top 4 picks fwiw...

Obviously the team in last place doesn't always equal the worst team. But any type of consolation bracket will give the actual worst team the worst chance to get the #1 pick.

"Your team is terrible, but in order to get the number 1 pick, you must win this consolation bracket with your terrible team. Good luck!"