sorry

that would be

Nolan Arenado (5) Year 4
DJ LeMahieu (15) Year 2
Byron Buxton (10)
Gary Sanchez (4)


Kenley Jansen (2)

Trout (1) 4th
Correa (18) 3rd
Syndergaard (17) 3rd
Wil Myers (16) 2nd
Travis Shaw (26)

I still have several SP available if anyone wants to make a last second deal

Sale rd1
Robbie Ray rd12
Carlos Carrasco rd4
Carlos Martinez rd4

Just throwing this out there as a possible rule change for next year. I would like to see a change from the snake draft format to having every round based on last seasons standings. I think snake drafts make a lot more sense for straight redraft leagues. While this league is not a true dynasty the early rounds of the draft play out similar to a dynasty with 60 players being kept.

What would be the reasoning for that type of draft format?

I'm in a fantasy football league, w/ similar structure to this league (keep 7 but no draft round penalty), that runs with that draft structure. It works very well with lots of parity year to year and has been going for over 15 years now.

Just as an example for this year me and cs3 are both using our 1st round picks to keep players this year. Since he won the league he will have the last pick in the 1st round and 1st pick in the second round. So he gets the #13 to take his 1st player and I will not pick until #21.

Not a huge deal, just a thought. I think it will help keep the league more balanced, and make it easier to evaluate the value of trading draft picks mid season

I agree with IRAZE. Exactly why I asked about snake draft the other day as with all the guys being kept in 1st around my early 2nd pick is likely a top 7 pick.

posting my keepers:

Acuna 26th
Gallo 25th
Blackmon 16th (4th)
Springer 4th (4th)
Knebel 25th (I have multiple 25ths)

I'm possibly ok with the proposed draft order changes, but with draft picks already traded via old rule, it would have to go in effect next year, imo.

Keep 7 in football is like keep 14 or so in baseball, so I wouldn't consider the situations all that similar. And with no draft round penalties Id imagine the top players are almost never getting thrown back like they are in our league.

But I get your point. Seems fine if we start it next year. Like NDfan said, lots of picks already traded based on current snake format for this year's draft.



EDIT-
Also what about 2nd round keepers? Your example noting first round keepers is a bit disingenuous bc if first place keeps a 2nd rounder then their first pick isnt until #36 overall and everyone would have 2 or more picks before that 1st place team.
That's another really big difference between leagues with draft round penalties and those without.

Something to keep in mind is that part of the "reward" for getting an early 1st pick is that most teams dont have to keep a first rounder - they can usually just throw him back and redraft the same player or a better one, with the exception being maybe the Trouts and Altuves.
That basically gives those teams an extra keeper, which is huge.

Not sure there needs to be more reward than that.

Sorry if my post came off as kinda confrontational. Didn't mean for it to. Just wanted to play devil's advocate.

If we do change the draft style I think we should also put some anti-tanking measures in place. Like maybe not reward last place with the first overall pick... maybe best record of non-playoff teams picks first, second best non-playoff record gets #2 pick and so on to #6.
Then picks #7-12 could stay the same as they are now (reverse of record).

We can always start fresh with an auction league too.

fwiw, i think its an interesting idea. also iraze said at the beginning it wouldnt be something hed propose for this year, fwiw, and id never institute a big rule change like that overnight.

but its something worth looking at. id be curious how to look at this coming draft in hindsight with this rule in mind so i can better get a handle on both sides of it and see what it actually does in practice.

I'm OK discussing this (and I think there's merit to some of the things being thrown out right now). but as Movie said we can't install a change unless we have a year's notice because people made decisions assuming the same rules in the previous year/this draft.

just posting this for myself to note the trades, lemme know if i missed any.

Yeah it obviously wouldn't go into effect until next year. Think we should vote on it sometime after the draft and before the regular season starts.

I also like the idea of having a secondary tournament during the playoffs to determine #1 pick. I think yahoo already runs a secondary tournament by default for eliminated teams. 7/8th place get a bye and the draft order is determined by the results of that tournament. Keeps everyone playing for something all the way through the playoffs. Not sure how much extra effort this would require on Movie's part

I didn't take any offense. I was just trying to start a dialogue and expected to hear opinions from both sides.

This is the only really compelling argument to make any changes, but I think we could just repeat the order of the first round for round 2 and snake from there. It seems very punitive to the winner to have to pick last in every round. I don't think parity is giving the worst teams an advantage; it's giving everyone an equal chance at success and weighting the draft, which is 80% of the roster, isn't creating an equal chance for everyone to win.

Disagree. After the first 4-5 rounds draft order doesn't make a huge difference. Every professional sports draft operates in this way and the smart teams still win more often. I'd be fine with something like AAAAABBBBB then snake after, but I think we're splitting hairs at that point.

That has to do mostly with the low turnover rate in pro drafts. You're never devoting more than 10-20% of your roster to draft choices; we're drafting 80% of ours. I don't think pick number is that significant after you get to pick 100-125 or so, but that's still 9+ rounds.

I kind of think we're arguing the same point here. I can't speak to most teams, but I think my roster turnover is about 50% year to year. I'm in total agreement that draft position is largely irrelevant after x rounds.

This is the 1st year I've finished outside the playoffs in this league so maybe I'm just salty. Either way I'm almost never keeping multiple players in the 1st 5 rounds, but it seems to me there should be an advantage given to teams that finish outside the playoffs on draft day.

As I mentioned before, I think getting an early 1st round pick is a huge advantage, since it basically equates to being gifted an extra keeper.

That said, Im not opposed to a straight non-snaking draft as long we come up with measures to prevent tanking. Or at least make tanking not profitable.

Ya I think, especially in h2h, tanking can be an issue. Instituting some sort of rule, making people at least start full lineups is important.

keepers :
Nelson Cruz RD 10 4th year keeping
Marcus Strorman RD 15 3rd year keeping
Mike Moustakas RD 21 1st year keeping
Dallas Keuchel RD9 1st year keeping (have two 8th round picks)
Félix Hernández RD8 1st year keeping (have two 7th round picks)

just need keepers in for yankees316 and villain1, please get em in ASAP since im gonna be inputting everything this weekend