What are you talking about? We are playing an official game, so we should just follow official rules and news. It's the same for everyone....

Thats my view as well if that wasn’t obvious. Play by the rules of Official FPL.

But based on mic_check comments he is unsure how he will admin the situation and I was just adressing that ambiguity since that might affect my transfers before next deadline.

There is a big difference between LMS and the other leagues. I'm 100% behind mic's decision even though it would be in my self interest to kick whoever made transfers last week or whatever.

Stop worrying about your EV in what is meant to be a fun sidebet, it's embarrassing.

No worries here, as stated before I will respect any admin decision.

Whatever Mic decides is fine by me. It's his leagues. You don't like it, you know where the door is.

btw Mic I've pm'd you the deets to collect my 400 League winnings, cheers

Serious question now isn't it lads.

If the season is curtailed, no more games but Champions assigned like French Ligue 1 etc.. then technically FPL is finished and they will prob finalise FPL and assign our current overall rank to our history for this season; it won't be expunged and the standings of FPL now are final.

I think this is the most likely scenario if there are no more games this season. Void very unlikely.

I know Mic said that if the season was cancelled/voided then all FPL Leagues are cancelled and stakes returned, makes a lot of sense. But that scenario seems v unlikely.

It's either going to finish, most likely, or finalised on ppg/current standings.

There is no harm in us discussing now what we think the best course of action is for the 2nd most likely scenario. Season finished as it stands (+ppg), including FPL.

It is worth noting that for the Scottish Leagues a lot of the major bookmakers paid out on the final standings they declared when they curtailed the season. Betfred, Betway, Betfair, Paddy, Skybet all paid on the the SFL declared standings, this goes back to MicCheck mentioning " what would the bookmakers do". Well it's interesting because Bet365 are an outlier and they declared all the bets void. I find that ridiculous but that's what they did so even there it's not so clear cut.

For balance and context, I'm 1st in the 400, 7th in the 150 and nowhere in the 35. Nowhere in the 35 and 75 h2h either.

I like to consider myself a fair person when it comes to thing like this and I like people to come together and be fair and use common sense. I would suggest we meet in the middle where everybody get's half their stake back and half the original prizepool is paid out to those in their current positions.

Would I be saying this if I didn't stand to gain some £? Well it's actually not that much relative to what I bought in to and I think I would yes. I would probably even go as far as to say if I had no chance in the leagues I wouldn't even take my buyin back, but no way am I ever suggesting everybody does this.

It's food for thought anyway, if the general consensus is that in the spirit of the leagues we should just not have payouts, that's what everybody believes in fair then I won't argue hard about it. Obviously if the season does finish, whenever that is, then this is all moot and it just plays out as normal (as can be)

Just had a look a proper look at the payouts spreadsheet, it went further down than I thought, where 6th and 7th is paid so my post just looks incredibly biased lol. I must stress I'm not pushing anything, just starting a debate if there is one to be had. I'm going with the consensus and just thought I'd give the thread a bump.

Gary Neville is campaigning as hard as he can for Football never to come back so let's hope he isn't successful. I hope he is just moved onto Sky Politics from now on, just a social justice warrior these days, once the King of punditry.

I'd like to think i'm not too biased on this as I believe I'd be out of the money on most of my leagues yet close to it but in my opinion we should just follow whatever FPL (not necessarily PL) decides.

I'm the admin of a couple friendly local leagues and I've not been thinking too much about it simply because it's necessary to see how FPL is going to react to it but it just makes the most sense to follow the decision of FPL. If they say "sorry guys gg season cancelled and void" then everybody gets its money back if they say "season finished" these are the final standings then people get paid accordingly.

At the end of the day, this is an exceptional situation where "fair" is impossible to reach and if we commit to the simple rules that money is paid out on finishing positions, it's a lot easier to enforce based on what the finishing positions are as long as these are not voided

If the season is voided,thinking a refund or carry the funds over to the next available season would be fairest.The problem with paying out on current positions is chip usage as many will have varying 1 to 3 chips left.Those who have 1 or 2 left and are an higher league position than Someone with all 3 left.Example a free hit in hand could make significant progress up the league table.

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Hopefully the most favourable option is if the premier league can be completed,whenever that may be ?

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Alright lads, I'm still around and haven't caught corona or spent all the money on PPE. I've not really said much because I've got a million things going on in my life and am not really thinking about FPL. I'm not going to enter into any debate myself since whatever I do decide in the end will no doubt piss off a bunch of people, there's no way around it. I will read everything from anyone that wants to weigh in though and try and make the most balanced and fair decision possible. Having said this, I have talked to a bunch of people about it IRL (none of them play in the leagues here) and will say how I'm currently leaning below.

I do want to say that I disagree with the above purely on the basis that FPL is free and there is no stake to be returned/prizes that could possibly be divided up.

If the games are not completed then I'm leaning towards flattening the prizepool and paying out more places and not paying anything out/refunding people below X position. X yet to be determined.

When there is more news I'll be back with a definitive statement, have at it in the meantime. Hope everyone is well and hasn't lost any loved ones

And in case it wasn’t obvious X would be at a point where it can reasonably be concluded that the manager had a very slim chance of cashing anything. Lms league would be chopped evenly by those left standing.

The Smarkets exchange has the Prem to Not Resume the season at around 30% & Resume around 70% so still a favourable chance that we get a finish. Obv not gospel.

Thanks for taking the time for a fair response and very much appreciated in running and organising these league's.Take care

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My tuppence worth.

I’d try to take as much subjectivity out of it as possible. If the season and FPL is voided, refund stakes. If the season finishes as is and is deemed complete by FPL then payout on current positions.

Appreciate there’s no perfect answer though and will be happy to go with whatever you decide. As you say, you’re not going to be able to please everyone!

full disclosure: i played for a very small amount so it's a non issue but would benefit from refund given my team sucks and already out of the lms

however, i tend to agree with this line of thought, while it would be fairer to treat it as if the season ended today if they don't resume play, you're opening up pandora's box with that and will then need to start implementing handicaps - ie what about the teams that haven't yet used certain chips vs those who have? what about the teams who played with a longer view vs those that didn't etc etc

from an administrative point of view, your best headache free solution is a binary play it out or cancel imo, once you deviate from either path it becomes a nightmare because whatever decision you make there will be people who feel they got screwed

perhaps in the lms just refund the teams remaining ie if there were 100 originally and 30 left those 30 split the pot? that seems reasonable to me because those who got eliminated were already out anyway

Declaration of bias: Current leader of the £35 & £150, out of LMS.

To the above point from Rickroll regarding simplicity of administration, your suggestion would most likely be the reverse - voiding the prizes involves arranging to pay back all the buy-ins to all the individual accounts for each league. Some people may not be able / want to roll over the buy-in for another year. If you're suggesting administrative simplicity, it would be to pay out on the final positions as Mic would be dealing with a lot less people.

It can be argued (admittedly from a biased perspective) that although unlucky that some chips may not have been used by all, everyone was in the same situation if using ppg/current standings. Holding onto unused chips was a risk if the final standings are to be used, just like using bench boost / triple captain early was a risk, especially if the season does end up continuing and there ends up being (for example) a triple GW, or if drastic, 8 games in one GW (absolute nightmare situation for me). Now these goal posts have moved to such a degree, if the season does end up continuing, my original strategy has been affected as players who have held onto bench boost / triple captain will reap more rewards than initially thought (and who wouldn't want to use their bench boost / triple captain for potentially 8 matches in a GW).

As THE GOATIAN has already mentioned, the majority of bookies have paid out on current standings for the SFL, which was the main thought process when originally deliberating what to do .

Judging by previous comments, I can see Mic is weighing up all options trying to do whatever is right, and I will accept whatever the final judgement call made.

"Holding onto unused chips was a risk if the final standings are to be used, just like using bench boost / triple captain early was a risk, especially if the season does end up continuing and there ends up being (for example) a triple GW, or if drastic, 8 games in one GW (absolute nightmare situation for me). Now these goal posts have moved to such a degree, if the season does end up continuing, my original strategy has been affected as players who have held onto bench boost / triple captain will reap more rewards than initially thought (and who wouldn't want to use their bench boost / triple captain for potentially 8 matches in a GW)."

- Just to add that I am fine taking this on the chin if the season does continue, that is the risk vs reward in FPL. In my opinion, the same applies if the season finishes early using final positions.

That's a fair point. The most likely scenario right now is that the season continues.

I played my free hit in the City-Arsenal Dgw and my captain obv didnt play game 2 lol. Free hit could be mega now and mine was done in by it being called off the night before. AND I had a great team lined up for blank GW31, it was looking perfect. Pointless now too.

I'd have to accept it as part of the mental game it is.

If this guy is top of the £35 and £150 then he deserves some reward cos that isn't half some tough competition and he said he will accept whatever Mic decides so full respect too.

We're so biased so if the worst case happens we need some mid tablers or those towards the bottom (trust me i've been there plenty of times in these ridic high standard leagues) to come forward and weight in.

Good news - The premier league season could resume behind closed doors in June after the government gave the project restart proposals the green light .

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Yeah, positive news.

Hope the backlash from the "all we can think about 24 hrs a day is people dying and nothing else" and "extend the lockdown for life" crew don't kick up too much of a fuss

I'm someone who is further back than I'd like to be in the 35 and the 150 (about 100pts back from paid places). While I typically finish the season strong, I think it would be unlikely that I would make the money.

I'm in a number of other cash leagues and there has been no common consensus what to do if the league ends up PPG or cancelled. Some smaller leagues with mates, it's generally been agreed that it'll roll over to next season. Another larger league the organiser has already said full refunds if season doesn't complete.

Personally I think that it would be harsh on those at the top of the leagues to not get rewarded for their success so far. And while a lot can change in 9 GWs (chips/luck/strategy) I think that the people in the cash places will be there or thereabouts. I agree with flattening the payout structure and extending the paid places. Perhaps payouts could even be calculated by some sort of 'chop' model based on points accrued so far (maybe even taking account for unused chips)?

There are so many ways you can go, but whatever you end up deciding, I'll support 100%.

FYI I’ve done some thinking about artificially giving points to people who have chips left and have decided I’m not going to do that. I feel it is balanced out by the risk to those players that used their chips that all the remaining matches are put into 1 game week and they get destroyed. If you didn’t use your chips yet then unlucky (and I say that as someone that has a wildcard, freehit and bench boost remaining). Watering down the payouts evens this out. Just wanted to get that out there before it is announced what happens

There's no good reason to not finish the season. Media hysteria and lefties crying all day not wanting to leave there home for another 10 years isn't enough.

Maybe we'll all be playing Bundesliga FPL next year as our main game. You get types of people, those who come at you with endless "what ifs" and problems and give up immediately or those that constantly try to solve problems and look outwardly positive. The first group have been crying so much for so long now that the second group are afraid to upset them and be lynched and screamed at. But I think the tides turning thanks to those lovely Germans cos god forbid we show a bit of innovation and initiative ourselves.

Stresses me out no end, as you can probably tell. I actually want my life back unlike all these lockdown fanatics

Sounds good, doubt you'll have many firmly against it. A June return for the Prem is trading at 1.6

Sorry for stupid ranting, just like the old Ipoker mid-stakes thread days