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07-22-2015 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by c0deman11
I have a question for auction keeper leagues that use FAAB waivers. In this league, you can keep a player for his drafted amount +$5 (started w/ $200).

re: keeper amounts

What is standard practice for a player who was drafted (say $14), then released, then picked up by a new team.

Is it, player can be kept by new team for $19? Or, player can be kept for amount decided for free agents?

Or is there a better way of doing this I didn't mention? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by phialpha1856
in this scenario i'd go with amount decided for FA's. When you have established keepers like that, thats a risk you take dropping them. I dont see why the other person would have to pay draft price + $5.
Imo its always best to go by draft price, even for players who are dropped/added multiple times. If you allow drafted players to be kept at the min, you are just asking for waiver shenanigans. "Hey I have the most FAAB cash left, let me drop Luck, outbid everyone, and keep him next year for a couple bucks! I is so smarts!"

Also I think it's a good idea to set a min for all FA pickups as well. So that way, if a player is dropped, his minimum keeper price is like $5 bucks (or whatever you decide on) even if he was drafted for less.

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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
Why not use the FAAB price as a base?
Generally FA budgets don't align with draft budgets. And even when the actual budgets are similar, the bids themselves are nowhere close to normal auction draft prices.
Ive found that it works better to set keeper prices for undrafted FA pickups at a flat rate, and keep it completely separate from FAAB bids.
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07-23-2015 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by warped
off the top of my head: Luck, Ben, Forte, Forsett, Yeldon, Maclin, Cruz

QB: Luck- dont get me wrong i still think hes going to be a monster but the prices ive heard people are willing to spend on him are insane. and Ben- ive heard top 5 prices but if you take out those 2 monster games last year where faced decimated secondarys and hes more top 10.

RB: Forte- no more trestman. Forsett- no more kubiak. Yeldon- i dont see it. didn't run for 1000 at alabama and might not even be the best rb on his own team imo

WR: maclin- i dont think he'll be better than bowe was tbh. smith wont get him the deep ball. cruz- you dont come back from that injury. he'll prolly be #3 at best behind ODB and randle.
I think Forsett is a bit underrated in PPRs because he gets Trestman this year.
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07-23-2015 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluss
I think Forsett is a bit underrated in PPRs because he gets Trestman this year.
i agree. i more meant standard scoring. in ppr i think he'll be fine
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07-23-2015 , 11:16 AM
12 keeper dynasty, can keep players whole career.

pick one, who and why

Joseph Randle
Latavius Murray
Tevin Coleman
Ameer Abdullah
T.J. Yeldon
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07-23-2015 , 01:54 PM
I kinda think I like Latavius from that bunch... Randle doesn't look like a long term feature RB, Yeldon may be the best RB on there but no way I'm tying myself to the JAX offense, and the other two are just generally unknown. Latavius has some track record and has shown a lot of upside and OAK is improving.
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07-23-2015 , 02:33 PM
Murray, based on volume alone. Definitely not picking anyone from the jags in a keeper situation, probably ever.
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07-23-2015 , 02:42 PM
id order them:

murray
yeldon

abdullah
coleman

randle

i think long term abdullah might become the best in the bunch, being on the best offensive team and having a relatively clear path to a higher volume gig in 2+ years (once bell declines), but hes not gonna help out this year as much as murray would.

edit: depends if PPR too. non ppr adbullah and coleman take a hit too
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07-23-2015 , 03:18 PM
i like murray too, just kinda falls into that same category as yeldon when it comes to running behind a **** line/offense in general, as far as young, explosive, bonafide #1, he's it. just how much will he be able to produce with that O

i agree about randle, def not a long term solution, however, i have championship caliber team in my league so adding him could be a very valuable one year piece with a slight chance of 2-3 successful years.

yeldon is whatever, could be 3 down rookie, but on jax lol

i'm HUGE on coleman, i dont think he'll have much trouble supplanting freeman as the #1. also he outperformed melvin gordon in like games during last season, which could be a product of system, yet i dont see wisconsins gameplan last year being anything other than give melvin the rock, watched a couple games, qb play was brutal. only problem is atl's **** O line, they had TEs lining up at RT last season.....dont really want to miss out on this guy tho, not sure how far he will fall if i pass in first round.

i've heard good things about abdullah, and joique being banged up definitely helps his cause, but hopefully the preseason can shed better light on the situation
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07-23-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
Murray, based on volume alone. Definitely not picking anyone from the jags in a keeper situation, probably ever.
But you'll grab a Raider? Wasn't that long ago Jags had a first round fantasy RB.
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07-23-2015 , 05:51 PM
Because of volume, I said. All the options are garbage, imo, but have to pick one. Raiders have a better qb, better wrs, so yeah, they edge out the jags. Idk why this is even being argued. I won't own any of these guys.
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07-23-2015 , 05:54 PM
Rookie/FA drafts though
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07-23-2015 , 06:05 PM
Yeah...
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07-23-2015 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by movieman2g
Rookie/FA drafts though
yes, i have decent depth for the season at RB already, this pick is more of a "would like him to contribute some in case of injury, but geared more towards next year" pick
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07-23-2015 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
Murray, based on volume alone. Definitely not picking anyone from the jags in a keeper situation, probably ever.
Just out of curiosity...what "volume" are we referring to? he had little to no volume last year.

I assume that you are referring to what you believe will be his volume this year but there is no way of knowing what it will be. The coaching staff held him back last year for like 14 weeks behind terrible backs. I think he will win the job but assuming he runs away and is a bell cow, idk about that. I think Helu has a good shot at being the passing down/3rd down back.

edit: for what its worth if you don't need someone to produce this year I would be going Abdullah. If you need production this year its Murray.
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07-23-2015 , 08:00 PM
More carries than the rest and no timeshare situation. I mean, we see he should be used. Coaching staff does not, true. Helu is a good third down back though.
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07-23-2015 , 08:07 PM
Where is Spiller going in ppr leagues?
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07-23-2015 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MAH
Where is Spiller going in ppr leagues?
23rd overall, 12rb off the board according to:

http://fftoolbox.scout.com/football/...?player_pos=RB
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07-23-2015 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by steveperry
yes, i have decent depth for the season at RB already, this pick is more of a "would like him to contribute some in case of injury, but geared more towards next year" pick
Yeah I like Abdullah then. Yeldon and murrays ceilings are capped until their teams get legit QBs
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07-24-2015 , 01:18 AM
I've never done auction waivers before and we are considering changing to this in one of the leagues i run. Is there anyone that uses CBS and their FAAB that wouldn't mind if I messaged them with a few questions?
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07-24-2015 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
Because of volume, I said. All the options are garbage, imo, but have to pick one. Raiders have a better qb, better wrs, so yeah, they edge out the jags. Idk why this is even being argued. I won't own any of these guys.
Raiders don't have better WRs. They have a rookie, who I'm big on (but he's still a rookie), and a bunch of left overs. Robinson, Hurns, Lee, Julius > Cooper and the rest.
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07-24-2015 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
Why not use the FAAB price as a base?
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Originally Posted by cs3
Imo its always best to go by draft price, even for players who are dropped/added multiple times. If you allow drafted players to be kept at the min, you are just asking for waiver shenanigans. "Hey I have the most FAAB cash left, let me drop Luck, outbid everyone, and keep him next year for a couple bucks! I is so smarts!"

Also I think it's a good idea to set a min for all FA pickups as well. So that way, if a player is dropped, his minimum keeper price is like $5 bucks (or whatever you decide on) even if he was drafted for less.


Generally FA budgets don't align with draft budgets. And even when the actual budgets are similar, the bids themselves are nowhere close to normal auction draft prices.
Ive found that it works better to set keeper prices for undrafted FA pickups at a flat rate, and keep it completely separate from FAAB bids.
Correct, can't use FAAB price because the pricing doesn't align.

The price to keep a undrafted FA is $8 out of the starting $200. I'm still not sure what to do about drafted players who were waived. This is the first year of offseason in this format and I didn't completely lay out the terms, unfortunately. Trying to find the most fair way.

Although no shenanigans like the one mentioned happened, I suppose it certainly could.

So I guess my options are flat FA fee of $8, original draft price, or original draft price + $5 premium for keeping.

I think I'm leaning flat FA fee of $8.

Last edited by c0deman11; 07-24-2015 at 01:52 PM. Reason: leannn
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07-24-2015 , 01:58 PM
FWIW I've played leagues where the FAAB price is used even if it doesn't align and it generally works out fine. On the low end, your $1 FAAB players are the same as your $1 auction players so who cares. Penalize them $5 or whatever like you would normally. On the other, if someone makes a stupid drop and/or a big injury happens where you blow $100 on a FA pickup, you do so with the understanding that you won't be keeping that player. Plus when Lacy goes down and you dump your FAAB on James Starks you probably aren't keeping him anyway. Just depends what you consider part of the game.

ETA: I guess I'm averse to a fixed FAAB price because it fails to reward really exceptional moves but I see the case for it.

Last edited by bixby snyder; 07-24-2015 at 02:05 PM.
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07-24-2015 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
FWIW I've played leagues where the FAAB price is used even if it doesn't align and it generally works out fine. On the low end, your $1 FAAB players are the same as your $1 auction players so who cares. Penalize them $5 or whatever like you would normally. On the other, if someone makes a stupid drop and/or a big injury happens where you blow $100 on a FA pickup, you do so with the understanding that you won't be keeping that player. Plus when Lacy goes down and you dump your FAAB on James Starks you probably aren't keeping him anyway. Just depends what you consider part of the game.
That's true for the most part I think. Some people probably made some less than smart drops. Also some people picked up a couple players and held on thinking the keeper price would be $8, so it would probably piss them off if it were to change.

Maybe the best way to go about it would be to vote on how to proceed starting for 2016 season now, and let all FA keepers be $8 for this 2015 season.
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07-24-2015 , 02:23 PM
Hey since we're talking keepers here, any thoughts on these? Snake, so no $ implications. First keeper will be Lacy, then--

1 of: Lamar Miller/Alshon Jeffery
2 of: Carlos Hyde/Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Considerations are that I'll have pick 10/12 or so in the draft, and based on my initial projections I'm pretty sure most of the elite RBs will be kept (Charles, Shady, Hill, Lynch, Murray, Murray, Forsett, Bell, Foster at minimum... I have the top RBs left on the board probably as AP, Forte, Gore, and all the rookies in whatever order you prefer).
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07-24-2015 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
Hey since we're talking keepers here, any thoughts on these? Snake, so no $ implications. First keeper will be Lacy, then--

1 of: Lamar Miller/Alshon Jeffery
2 of: Carlos Hyde/Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Considerations are that I'll have pick 10/12 or so in the draft, and based on my initial projections I'm pretty sure most of the elite RBs will be kept (Charles, Shady, Hill, Lynch, Murray, Murray, Forsett, Bell, Foster at minimum... I have the top RBs left on the board probably as AP, Forte, Gore, and all the rookies in whatever order you prefer).
as much as I don't really love Hyde I think its just Alshon, Hyde, Kelce pretty easy.
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