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Old 08-30-2016, 01:34 AM   #2376
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If you don't know of the problem you are the problem
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Old 08-30-2016, 04:42 AM   #2377
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I don't play much on fanduel. But curious what the massive collusion problem is
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Old 08-30-2016, 08:59 AM   #2378
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there going to be redeposit bonuses on this ****?
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Old 08-30-2016, 11:27 AM   #2379
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Lol this makes no sense
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Old 08-30-2016, 11:27 AM   #2380
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No it completely does. There's ton of teams
Of players working together so if you don't know of the problem you are prolly working with one of those teams
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Old 08-30-2016, 11:54 AM   #2381
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I love how he says he doesn't play much on FanDuel and you turn it into how he's probably a colluder. Working together is not colluding on FD. You are mistaken.
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Old 08-30-2016, 12:00 PM   #2382
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He plays on draftkings and they have specifically said it is. I know all the regs and who works with who lol.

Think a lot of you guys have been short sighted by the way and the Dfs train is gonna come to a halt quite quickly
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Old 08-30-2016, 12:29 PM   #2383
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lol, so how much did you lose?

Also, how is someone part of the problem if they don't know??

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Old 08-30-2016, 01:23 PM   #2384
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No it completely does. There's ton of teams
Of players working together so if you don't know of the problem you are prolly working with one of those teams
I didn't mean simply working together. There is a theoretical case for it, but no practical way to test for or enforce it in a way that is fair. I work with a small team, and we often enter the same contests where it would be advantageous to diversify, e.g., winner-take-all satellites. We rarely discuss exact lineups, we don't work off the same projections, and we have our own favorite players that we default to if a decision is close. So if you pulled the complete game histories, you'd see that we almost never run the same lineup in spots where it would be advantageous for a team to do so. That looks like collusion, but only if you know we discuss strategy. If you were told we had no relation, you'd probably think nothing of it. However, had we secretly agreed beforehand to not run duplicates then we are very clearly colluding, and some players are definitely doing this. So given that the two most important pieces of information are likely hidden from the operator, how do you make a fair determination of who is colluding in this situation? To be clear, I think it is an intrinsic flaw in the game design.

On the other hand, when a team empties the clip in a gpp and differentiates on one player in each lineup, that seems like pretty clear collusion to me.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:32 PM   #2385
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Are you guys saying the $2 and $5 double-ups are no longer SAFE????
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:53 PM   #2386
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No it completely does. There's ton of teams
Of players working together so if you don't know of the problem you are prolly working with one of those teams
I rarely play on FD and I do not have a piece of anyones action. I have no idea what you are talking about

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He plays on draftkings and they have specifically said it is. I know all the regs and who works with who lol.

Think a lot of you guys have been short sighted by the way and the Dfs train is gonna come to a halt quite quickly
Collaboration does not imply collusion. And collaboration is not against any ToS on DK
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:05 PM   #2387
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They defintely just updated it to deal with everyone working on lineups together .

Having a base lineup that everyone shares is more than collaboration
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:11 PM   #2388
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They defintely just updated it to deal with everyone working on lineups together .

Having a base lineup that everyone shares is more than collaboration
What do you consider a base lineup? You have no idea what you are talking about.


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Old 08-30-2016, 02:15 PM   #2389
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I defintely know what I'm talking about.

There's ton of people selling lineups and tons of people sharing lineups

So it's just coincidence that I play 4 different people h2h in a night and they all have the same exact lineup.

Don't treat me like an idiot. I know exactly what all the "pros" are doing. Hence why I stopped with Dfs and why Dfs is gonna die out. You guys are taking all the money out and contributing nothing
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:21 PM   #2390
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I defintely know what I'm talking about.

There's ton of people selling lineups and tons of people sharing lineups

So it's just coincidence that I play 4 different people h2h in a night and they all have the same exact lineup.

Don't treat me like an idiot. I know exactly what all the "pros" are doing. Hence why I stopped with Dfs and why Dfs is gonna die out. You guys are taking all the money out and contributing nothing


The people who are buying and selling lineups are not pros. And yes it's a problem and that has been now explicitly outlawed.

It's no shock to me that you had trouble winning at DFS based on your posting history in SE.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:35 PM   #2391
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ha ha ha ha
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:46 PM   #2392
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The people who are buying and selling lineups are not pros. And yes it's a problem and that has been now explicitly outlawed.

It's no shock to me that you had trouble winning at DFS based on your posting history in SE.


Lol you are a moron. I didn't have a problem winning at Dfs. I would take a stab and say my roi was yours.

You guys ruined Dfs like you ruined online poker.

You couldn't beat it in your own so you got computers and teammates to beat it.

If there was a way I could prove you didn't get help from anyone I would wager a healthy amount I could fire one lineup a day vs your one lineup and win.

So don't run your mouth without information to back it up.

Everyone in saying is based off of what I see. You think recs are gonna keep playing when they see you guys firing 150 lineups into every contest and the same names with the same base lineups every night ? It's not a good look.

If you were intelligent instead of trying to bash me you would listen and make sure Dfs was solvent long term. Cause when the fish money dries up like it clearly will soon you gonna be crying.

I stopped doing Dfs cause I can't fire 3-5 lineups and compete . Same reason why I don't play online poker. I beat things on my own. I don't need a friend or computer to help me.


You just better hope someone doesn't file a class action lawsuit and you have to give back your winnings.

Get your head out of your ass before it's too late.

And don't worry about my posting history you should be smart enough not to base it off of how successfull I am.

But maybe I overestimated your intelligence
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:47 PM   #2393
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DFS Industry Discussion Thread

And another point was I not in a Dfs league with you last year and we finished with basically the same score?

It was me you and a lot of the top "Dfs" pros and you guys lost your mass entering advantage and coincidentally I held my own? Lol
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:50 PM   #2394
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I defintely know what I'm talking about.

There's ton of people selling lineups and tons of people sharing lineups

So it's just coincidence that I play 4 different people h2h in a night and they all have the same exact lineup.

Don't treat me like an idiot. I know exactly what all the "pros" are doing. Hence why I stopped with Dfs and why Dfs is gonna die out. You guys are taking all the money out and contributing nothing
No good players are selling lineups period. Why? There isn't a $ amount that people could pay for lineups that make up for the equity lost by other people playing the lineups that they are playing. If they are selling lineups that they aren't using then they are basically a scummy tout.

If i had to put a $ amount on what I would sell my main lineup for on a week to week basis i would need to be making $5k+ min probably and I'm not anywhere near some of what the top volume players are putting in, they would need to be making mid 5 figures probably for it to make sense.

Honestly I love people that buy lineups because they are usually **** and free money for me to win.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:51 PM   #2395
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Duck: serious question , if the max amount of lineups able to be entered was significantly dropped. How much do you think your roi would suffer ?
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:55 PM   #2396
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Wes your posts are a parade of incompetence just stop please.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:57 PM   #2397
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Duck: serious question , if the max amount of lineups able to be entered was significantly dropped. How much do you think your roi would suffer ?
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I typically only enter 1 lineup per week in every single contest available. If anything it's likely my ROI would go up.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:58 PM   #2398
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Speaking the truth is incompetence or you are mad someone is speaking up?

You can't silence me. And you guys have been selfish and your Gonna be really mad when the gravy train ends.

You can't point out anything I'm saying is wrong so you have to attack me.

That's a common trait of people here. They attack me because they are afraid of me.

Knowledge is power and I have All the knowledge .

You guys are making me feel like I am correct to start a crusade against the Dfs industry
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:59 PM   #2399
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I typically only enter 1 lineup per week in every single contest available. If anything it's likely my ROI would go up.


So you only play cash and no Gpps?
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What part of every single contest available did you not understand?
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