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Old 04-06-2016, 04:56 PM   #2301
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Bad couple days for the industry.

Alabama cease and desist yesterday:

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/944...fs-is-illegal/

and Tenn AG issues an opinion that DFS is illegal today:

https://rotogrinders.com/threads/ten...hammer-1254821


I'm getting really sick of this ****!
So, piss and moan on a forum or lobby where you live for legalization of sportsbetting or at least DFS ...
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Old 04-06-2016, 06:48 PM   #2302
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So, piss and moan on a forum or lobby where you live for legalization of sportsbetting or at least DFS ...
Where I live DFS is legal. So, gfy
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:55 PM   #2303
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Where I live DFS is legal. So, gfy
A bit touchy.... does it matter to you if DFS is deemed illegal where you don't live ?
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:11 AM   #2304
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well yes, it is one giant player pool
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:34 AM   #2305
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Illinois, not a banned sate.
But is illegal in Illinois. What is the difference between banned and illegal?
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:58 PM   #2306
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Of course it matters, NFL is going to be way worse next year with so many key states on the sidelines.
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Old 04-08-2016, 06:23 PM   #2307
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Of course it matters, NFL is going to be way worse next year with so many key states on the sidelines.
So, find a provider or format not so dependent upon large player liquidity pools and not teeming with sharks ?
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Old 04-08-2016, 06:25 PM   #2308
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well yes, it is one giant player pool
It need not be "one giant player pool" just because it has been in the past format or provider models.

Adapt, the markets will.
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Old 04-08-2016, 06:39 PM   #2309
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But is illegal in Illinois. What is the difference between banned and illegal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPin5LRBfZo
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:26 AM   #2310
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Maybe a bit off-topic, but best way to manage/maintain DFS records (wins, losses, fees, ROI, etc.)?

I'm primarily on Yahoo, if that helps.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:38 PM   #2311
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Rototracker is good
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Old 04-13-2016, 09:20 AM   #2312
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It need not be "one giant player pool" just because it has been in the past format or provider models.

Adapt, the markets will.
what are you talking about? you asked why it matters to him, I told you.

He (and all of us) will not be able to play large gpp tournaments that we want to play when other states ban their players. That is how it matters.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:49 PM   #2313
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Has anyone had their referrals wiped out lately? Guess they have a new policy where if you don't refer 4 people in a 6 month span then they take your referrals from you. I always figured they weren't going to keep giving me 20-25% for people I signed up anyway, but they're definitely enforcing these rules more now.

Probably generate a lot of revenue this way and it is much easier than raising rake.
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Old 04-13-2016, 01:58 PM   #2314
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what are you talking about? you asked why it matters to him, I told you.

He (and all of us) will not be able to play large gpp tournaments that we want to play when other states ban their players. That is how it matters.
lol, what I am talking about is that "large gpp tournaments" is just one format among possible DFS formats.

It is a little tough to marry the entire DFS entertainment experience to one particular format, just because it has been presented in that format before. If "all of us" for whom you speak like playing DFS, then "all of us" SHOULD be able to enjoy the same skilled playing experience in other formats where the prizing might be a bit different than in the "large gpp tournament" "all of us" have played in the past.

OTOH, if what "all of us" really look for is only a large gpp format, and do not give a damn about whether it is DFS or poker or sportsbetting driven, then wouldn't "all of us" really be just seeking the gpp $$$$ of "all of them" who lose 97% or so of the gpp pool.

Sorry, DFS formats need not be "all of us" own private abattoir. Rather they can offer entertainment value for "all of them" too. I recognize that "daily" or even "ingame" fantasy sports driven engagement adds to the entertainment value of sports content. I do not accept that a large, national gpp format is necessary in that regard and do not think sacrificing access to legal fantasy sports is wise just because you imply "all of us" will only be happy with that particular liquidity pool dependent gpp format.

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Old 04-13-2016, 05:15 PM   #2315
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its nice that you had that little manifesto prepared, but all those words are completely irrelevant to you being wrong when implying that it does not matter to him if dfs is banned in different states: it is a fact that he is impacted in a noticeable way.
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Old 04-13-2016, 07:30 PM   #2316
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its nice that you had that little manifesto prepared, but all those words are completely irrelevant to you being wrong when implying that it does not matter to him if dfs is banned in different states: it is a fact that he is impacted in a noticeable way.
I asked a question, I'm not sure what implications you put into that, nor what you mean by "manifesto prepared" or even how asking someone(else) a question is somehow "wrong" of me. But, I get it, you are anointed to speak for "all of us" to explain why the GPP format defines what DFS means and label me as a heretic perhaps for asking a question of your article of faith.

So, before you nail me to the cross of "wrong", let me explain, in an extemporaneous fashion I assure you, my substantive point about the limits of your myopic view of what entertainment value means, to sports content consumers, outside the prize-chasing GPP grinding population.

What I was getting at, after your response about "gpp" as the defining DFS characteristic for "all of us" is that

1. DFS, or ingameFS for that matter, is NOT dependent upon the "GPP" format alone,

2. The entertainment component of DFS is not dependent upon the mega-prizing of nationwide GPPs,100 different formats, and

3. Rather it derives from the entertainment value of analysing potential picks, making picks AND then watching sports content with greater intensity and range of meaningful content to watch..... with some reward for doing the picks better than someone else.

None of these three entertainment elements requires a massive, megaprized GPP format, however much professional prize chasers might prefer shooting all the fish in one massive barrel.

You do not seem to grasp that even people who do not WIN a massive GPP prize derive entertainment value from picking players and watching sports content. If legalization of DFS has the effect of making massive GPPs less likely or spurs presentation of other entertaining formats, too bad for GPP grinders sucking the marrow from the carcasses of 97% of those folks who value/desire sports entertainment more than you might appreciate.

Sorry, but the Pareto Optimal sports entertainment solution might NOT be massive GPPs for DFS. It may be some different format(s) offering a longer term, sustainable solution, which doesn't tax entertainment value so heavily in favor of GPP grinders.... or even, gasp, involve direct legalized sports betting like they allow in Europe, Asia and most places outside the US.

To be fair DFS' rise in popularity has added prizing for performance-driven proposition betting as away to get more entertainment from otherwise boring content, effectively expanding betting opportunities and reasons to watch game, much like invention of the betting line by Charles McNeil*.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_K._McNeil

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Old 04-14-2016, 11:14 AM   #2317
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I only play large field GPPS, IMO.

They are more fun. I don't need to turn my $10 into $19. I think there are a lot of people like me.
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Old 04-14-2016, 01:08 PM   #2318
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I only play large field GPPS, IMO.

They are more fun. I don't need to turn my $10 into $19. I think there are a lot of people like me.
I have no doubt. Similarly, a lot of poker players play only large MTTs, and avoid cash games and smaller field tournament formats.

For you, is the fun in the picking or in the sweating/watching the games or both ?

GPPS is just one format. You want to try and score big, which can be done in other formats, with equal sweating "fun".

Same format: Would you ignore DFS if the prizing meant you stood only to win a share of a $19,000 pool on your $10 investment ?

What if it were a $190,000 pool contest ? Enough to sweat ?

What if a prize size were not guaranteed, but depended upon the number of entries into the contest ?

Different format: What if DFS matchups were run like a prop bet, where you could win $1,000,000 simply by picking 15 correctly, without worrying if someone else picked " correctly" as well ?
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:36 PM   #2319
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I have no doubt. Similarly, a lot of poker players play only large MTTs, and avoid cash games and smaller field tournament formats.

For you, is the fun in the picking or in the sweating/watching the games or both ?

GPPS is just one format. You want to try and score big, which can be done in other formats, with equal sweating "fun".

Same format: Would you ignore DFS if the prizing meant you stood only to win a share of a $19,000 pool on your $10 investment ?

What if it were a $190,000 pool contest ? Enough to sweat ?

What if a prize size were not guaranteed, but depended upon the number of entries into the contest ?

Different format: What if DFS matchups were run like a prop bet, where you could win $1,000,000 simply by picking 15 correctly, without worrying if someone else picked " correctly" as well ?
The sweat is worth a few bucks every weekend.

I don't play a lot of non-NFL games because the prizze pools are pretty low, so I basically do ignore it. I would probably play some NFL at 19K if nothing else was around, but a lot less volume.

I am cool with the prize growing with more entrants, but I think that is not allowed?

I would bet parlays if they were legal where I live and I could count on being paid like I feel I can from DK/FD/Yahoo, sure.

If every contest was a double up or 50/50 I would not play DFS.
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:15 PM   #2320
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The video was a live stream turned into a YouTube video so it has some weird issues, but most of the content is there:

Power Session - DFS 2.0 at Igaming North America Conference
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Old 05-01-2016, 07:24 PM   #2321
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The video was a live stream turned into a YouTube video so it has some weird issues, but most of the content is there:

Power Session - DFS 2.0 at Igaming North America Conference
Thanks for the link. A couple of Seth's responses got dropped that I really wanted to hear. Wallach was great, explained the legal hurdles facing DFS very succinctly.

T minus 10 days until the congressional hearing. Anybody we know for sure is appearing?
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:05 PM   #2322
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:13 AM   #2323
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This is strange:

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/103...draftops-says/

Even weirder than the headline, How the hell does DraftOps end up on the hook to the Minnesota Wild for $1.1mil for 6 months of marketing? Like I don't see how a start up could possibly see better than a -90% return on an investment like that, even before Ethangate.
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Old 06-10-2016, 01:34 PM   #2324
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Attention NY'ers legal DFS is not a done deal.The head of the NY Conservative party (small govt. my ass) is trying to poison the well.I emailed him to remind him of small government,myob govt. conservative philosophy.I can't believe this guy is from Brooklyn,in not to long ago Brooklyn you could get a bet down waiting in line for Holy Communion.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...ports-20160608

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Old 06-10-2016, 06:28 PM   #2325
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The amended bill in NY hasn't been released yet with only 3 days left (Tues-Thurs). I have a feeling something shady will go down, like this bill (with changes no one has seen) will be attached to a larger bill and passed without ever being read.

Kind of like the way the UIGEA went down with the safe ports act.
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