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Old 11-25-2015, 04:28 PM   #1626
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from UIGEA:
I've never understood why DK doesn't just offer PGA with a concurrent LPGA/Senior/Web.com with a positional slot and price whoever one player on those tours at like $100 and then all others at like $10k. Then you'd effectively lock everyone into a single player there and allow the same contest to go on in a way that was not subject to the single sporting event clause of UIGEA.

IDK about nascar well enough to know if something similar could be done.

For MMA it seems they would have a great argument for each fight being a separate sporting event.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:29 PM   #1627
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It is up to the states to make a determination on UIGEA, however.
Actually trying to understand this as I dont play DFS, but how does that differ? Individual sports have accumulated results over a number of events.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:35 PM   #1628
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It is not "obviously gambling" wrt various state laws though, which is the only thing that matters. Whether it meets the public's commonly-agreed-to definition does not come into play here. Boies made this point in the article that was linked as have several lawyers on 2p2 dating back to before BF.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:38 PM   #1629
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DFS is obviously gambling.

trying to deny that publicly makes the pro-dfs side appear crazy and provides a very low-hanging target for media attacks

of course that does not mean it is not also skill-based.
While I cannot disagree, and also think the skill/gambling argument is moot, it's really up to the states to decide that, individually. Right now they have a Federal qualification so that's what they lean on.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:39 PM   #1630
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It is not "obviously gambling" wrt various state laws though, which is the only thing that matters. Whether it meets the public's commonly-agreed-to definition does not come into play here. Boies made this point in the article that was linked as have several lawyers on 2p2 dating back to before BF.
And he beat me too it...
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:45 PM   #1631
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I think the AG shot himself in the foot by trying to say that season-long fantasy was a skill game but DFS was not. There are compelling arguments on both sides, but admitting that its gambling probably wouldn't work out well for the survival of DFS, so I think they have to play the skill card.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:48 PM   #1632
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Actually trying to understand this as I dont play DFS, but how does that differ? Individual sports have accumulated results over a number of events.
First: I am not a lawyer and my opinions are my own.

I believe the "multiple events" qualification for fantasy contests in UIGEA, was put in to avoid collusion. And, it's of my opinion, that since prize pool is named in advance, and the outcome is determined from more than one event, that real life players would have a very tough time colluding to influence the results of a fantasy contest.

In contrast, if someone can get down a sports bet for $20,000 on Montana Community College Shale Frackers vs Alabama Crimson Tide, and get the QB for Alabama to tank for a cut at 12000:1, well, that's sports betting collusion in an extreme example.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:50 PM   #1633
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I think the AG shot himself in the foot by trying to say that season-long fantasy was a skill game but DFS was not. There are compelling arguments on both sides, but admitting that its gambling probably wouldn't work out well for the survival of DFS, so I think they have to play the skill card.
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NY seems to imply season long fantasy is "different animal" ONLY INSOFAR as entry fees not taken & prizes not given by a company #DFS
via: https://twitter.com/USLaw_com/status/669601344160980992

They should have probably done some more homework on that one. There are HUGE contests, upwards of $10,000 entries. http://myffpc.com/ffpccontent/
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Old 11-25-2015, 05:46 PM   #1634
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FD CEO when asked a few years ago about NASCAR and PGA said something to the effect of legally they didn't think offering it was a good idea.
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:38 AM   #1635
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I think the AG shot himself in the foot by trying to say that season-long fantasy was a skill game but DFS was not. There are compelling arguments on both sides, but admitting that its gambling probably wouldn't work out well for the survival of DFS, so I think they have to play the skill card.
His handling of the case has been very sloppy from the beginning. From his misuse of basic terminology and the obvious hypocrisy when saying these companies contribute to problem gambling when there is other forms of gambling so readily available in the state.

I think the AG mistakenly believed it was an open and shut case and that these sites don't have actual customers who enjoy the product.

There are people excited to play there games on Sundays who are not gambling addicts.

Not to say the AG won't win the case on the law. But I think if the AG had more knowledge of the fantasy industry he would have not pursued the case or taken more time to understand some of the complications of the case (like season long vs. daily etc.).

But once he has gone this far he cannot really turn back now.
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:31 PM   #1636
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As for sensationalist reporting by the NYT, that is another topic. I've been following their sports and DFS reporting quite closely, and have been since they published that sensationalist anti-DFS editorial, worthy of Reefer Madness. (Iirc, my post on THAT topic was deleted or moved on 2+2) I since have had conversation with one of their reporters, including the role, if any, of their editorial stance on their reporting of news. Briefly, I am sure the NYAG reads the NYT and the Post, I have no idea about NY politics however. I even signed up for a digital subscription myself, to keep access to their gaming/sports/DFS articles, its the best we can do from here in the hinterlands West of the Hudson.
When did NYT become TMZ?

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Old 11-26-2015, 02:46 PM   #1637
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Dumb article and I'm a little embarrassed for Jonathan Stewart. I can see an argument that fantasy hurts team loyalty and there may be some minor long-term damage to NFL for that. To say the players are somehow victimized by that is just ridiculous. I'm sure Stewart doesn't mind getting paid with TV revenue generated by DFS.
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Old 11-26-2015, 05:22 PM   #1638
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The sensitive Jonathon Stewart has a $39M contract with $27M guaranteed, basically paid for by us insensitive loutish fans.We feel your pain Jonny,now shut up,turn off twitter and hit 2x value ffs.You know America as we know it is near the end when even the NFL is becoming wussified.If I didn't know the source of this article I'd swear it was from the ''Onion.''
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Old 11-27-2015, 12:42 AM   #1639
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Is it correct that Mondogoal is the only site that offers DFS outside of NA (Sweden)?

Does stuff like rakeback or signup bonuses exist?
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Old 11-27-2015, 01:22 AM   #1640
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I don't understand the hatred of fantasy football by the New York Times. About 10 articles in the last month and maybe one that would be considered the neutral the other 9 negative...this story with Stewart probably took about 5 minutes to write. There other articles on this subject have generally been poorly sourced and biased. But I guess when you are considered the premier newspaper in the United States you can just live off that reputation and not put in much effort to your stories.
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:53 AM   #1641
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Is it correct that Mondogoal is the only site that offers DFS outside of NA (Sweden)?

Does stuff like rakeback or signup bonuses exist?
They only do soccer, and I'm afraid they're not available in Sweden, but check. There's a host of smaller sites that are either very recent or will go live in the very near future, check the soccer thread. Mondo and some other have fine first deposit bonuses, I'm not aware of any rakeback. A few do NBa and other sports, but none NFL. It's unfortunate, given that NFL game times are much less unfriendly than NBA for europeans.
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:21 AM   #1642
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Not sure if I'm posting this is the right thread, but how long do DK withdrawals take? Did a withdrawal from Yahoo last night to PayPal and it was almost instant. On DK, it's been saying "Money on hold for withdrawal" since 12:25 PM yesterday.
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Old 11-27-2015, 11:03 AM   #1643
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I don't understand the hatred of fantasy football by the New York Times. About 10 articles in the last month and maybe one that would be considered the neutral the other 9 negative...this story with Stewart probably took about 5 minutes to write. There other articles on this subject have generally been poorly sourced and biased. But I guess when you are considered the premier newspaper in the United States you can just live off that reputation and not put in much effort to your stories.
Actually the NYT circulation has been falling for years and it's been hemorrhaging money.It's the premier paper for the white eastern/media limousine liberal crowd and has very little influence outside those circles.Unfortunately for me and my fellow NY DFS players that's who runs our state.FOL.
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Old 11-28-2015, 04:33 AM   #1644
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Actually the NYT circulation has been falling for years and it's been hemorrhaging money.It's the premier paper for the white eastern/media limousine liberal crowd and has very little influence outside those circles.Unfortunately for me and my fellow NY DFS players that's who runs our state.FOL.
I tend to think their influence is bigger than that. As once they ran the NYT ran the story other organizations like ESPN felt they had to run the story...the thing is the Times can write a poorly sourced, biased article but their brand name still gives the story credibility. Someone writing a blog can only get that type of credibility after writing years of good stories...But yes if you google New York Times daily fantasy you will get 10 poorly written stories hammering the industry.
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Old 11-28-2015, 11:30 AM   #1645
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Nobody cares about mainstream media anymore. It mostly spends time lying about foreign policy, war, and human rights within your own nation.

Mainstream media is a propaganda tool, and gambling unfortunately is based in mathematical truths.

Good luck using a fogie religion (statism) to destroy mathematically perfect games such as poker.

All this does is prove what kind of dolts we have elected into office.

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Old 11-28-2015, 09:56 PM   #1646
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The New York Times is dependent on scoops and inside information for headlines.

A few op ed articles that fall in line with the attorney generals latest blitz goes a long way down the road.
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Old 11-28-2015, 11:40 PM   #1647
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The New York Times is dependent on scoops and inside information for headlines.

A few op ed articles that fall in line with the attorney generals latest blitz goes a long way down the road.
It's called clickbait or clickmongering, bloggers were notorious for it, now the "main stream" media is following their lead.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:12 AM   #1648
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Man, notice how Fanduel's advertising has shifted seismically from "WIN LOADS OF MONEY !!!" to "MAN IT IS FUN TO HAVE FUN WITH FRIENDS AND FANTASY" after they've run into regulatory trouble.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:38 AM   #1649
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Man, notice how Fanduel's advertising has shifted seismically from "WIN LOADS OF MONEY !!!" to "MAN IT IS FUN TO HAVE FUN WITH FRIENDS AND FANTASY" after they've run into regulatory trouble.
If by Fanduel you mean Draftkings, then yes, I have noticed that too.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:08 AM   #1650
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If by Fanduel you mean Draftkings, then yes, I have noticed that too.
Pretty sure he's referring to FDs new and only commerciall running where it's about playing with friends and "this is why we fanduel" instead of seeing Bradley c lovely 289$ face.

It's just amazing the idiots that are running DK mainly into the ground with questionable advertising and policies
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