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Old 11-11-2015, 08:02 PM   #1201
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The entry fee's are sunk upfront, it's who wins back more. 1 lineup vs 500 lineups.



I wouldn't want to play Hold'em if my opponent got dealt 5 sets of pocket cards to my 1, and got to play which ever hit the board the best, would you?

You have a bet assuming you are willing to put your 500 entries in the quarter arcade and I can enter any contest I want. We will have to escrow though.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:05 PM   #1202
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And these slot machines pay out at different rates.
So by your asinine definition of gambling and skill, it would be a game of skill to choose the better machines.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:08 PM   #1203
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So by your asinine definition of gambling and skill, it would be a game of skill to choose the better machines.
Some of these "machines" pay out more than what you put in, making it a game of skill to choose the right ones.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:11 PM   #1204
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The entry fee's are sunk upfront, it's who wins back more. 1 lineup vs 500 lineups.

I wouldn't want to play Hold'em if my opponent got dealt 5 sets of pocket cards to my 1, and got to play which ever hit the board the best, would you?
Umm, yeah, in your analogy this isn't far from playing six handed since, you know, you'd only be putting up 1/6 of the pot less rake.

Most of the worry over multi-entry is dumb. Massive limits make the tournaments sharper since the sharps can enter a lot of lineups (at lower ROI than if they entered fewer lineups), but its not some massive disadvantage.

Allowing sharks to scoop up all the cash games, especially at low stakes....that's a real issue.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:24 PM   #1205
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Some of these "machines" pay out more than what you put in, making it a game of skill to choose the right ones.
Following this logic, you could argue that lotto is a game of skill too. Most lotto players choose birthday numbers like between 1 and 31. If you pick higher numbers then your chances of winning remain the same, but your payout is commonly higher assuming that the game is played in a pari-mutual fashion. Is that what you're saying?
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:32 PM   #1206
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Who is more powerful

Casino lobby or pro sports teams?

I'd go with the first one I think. Especially on the state level.

I always just come back to the fact that these sites can't provide the type of $ that say slots can provide to CT or NJ. Then politicians weigh cost/benefit of each form of gambling and 1 creates jobs, tax base, tax revenue and another creates a few tech billionaires and a few more bros that don't have to slave away at i-Banking and you get your answer.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:41 PM   #1207
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Umm, yeah, in your analogy this isn't far from playing six handed since, you know, you'd only be putting up 1/6 of the pot less rake.
Ok, so let's say you are at full table. Each player is allowed to post extra blinds/ante's in exchange for extra pocket cards, but only you can afford to purchase the extra preflop hands. You can play any and all of your hands. Yes you are risking more. However, you still have an edge to win all things considered.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:49 PM   #1208
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You have a bet assuming you are willing to put your 500 entries in the quarter arcade and I can enter any contest I want. We will have to escrow though.
can't tell if you're serious
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:54 PM   #1209
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Following this logic, you could argue that lotto is a game of skill too. Most lotto players choose birthday numbers like between 1 and 31. If you pick higher numbers then your chances of winning remain the same, but your payout is commonly higher assuming that the game is played in a pari-mutual fashion. Is that what you're saying?
No. I'm saying your chances of winning are different based on the number you pick, in this analogy.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:00 PM   #1210
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:03 PM   #1211
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can't tell if you're serious
I am. Would you like to bet. You've got a huge edge, right?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:11 PM   #1212
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Personally, I think the whole "skill" argument is irrelevant, as NY law seemingly says that betting is illegal, as the "outcome is not in control of the bettor. However, I am not admitted to practice in NY, so that's just a personal view.....

Skillful betting on the aggregate outcome of selected performances on the field may turn something into a contest of who is the best bettor, but it is still betting on the outcome of atheletic performances by someone else.

(A) {I, a third party} flip(s) a coin, and I can correctly predict the outcome somewhere between (B) [50,100] percent of the time.

Do you have a personal opinion on which combinations of values from (A) and (B) would set the threshold for gambling / not gambling under NY law?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:13 PM   #1213
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I am. Would you like to bet. You've got a huge edge, right?
No. The bet would be both enter the same contest. You fill 1 lineup, I fill 500.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:36 PM   #1214
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Why are you guys even engaging this person? He's either to stubborn to learn from people or trolling. Either way it doesn't help.
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:03 PM   #1215
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:14 PM   #1216
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Why are you guys even engaging this person? He's either to stubborn to learn from people or trolling. Either way it doesn't help.
not trolling or trying to be stubborn. I respect everyone's opinions on topics that are not facts. I agree with the guy that said this is one of the smaller issues, and that cash games are more of a problem area. However, failing to recognize that someone with max lineups entered has a better shot at winning is stubborn or ignorant.
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:31 PM   #1217
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not trolling or trying to be stubborn. I respect everyone's opinions on topics that are not facts. I agree with the guy that said this is one of the smaller issues, and that cash games are more of a problem area. However, failing to recognize that someone with max lineups entered has a better shot at winning is stubborn or ignorant.
By winning do you mean winning the tournament? If so, of course the guy entering 500 lineups is more likely to win the tournament. But unless he is more than 500x as likely as an equally skilled player putting in 1 lineup, he does not have an inherent advantage.

Your poker analogy is flawed for a bunch of reasons. For example, seeing extra cards is valuable in poker (card removal), but getting to pick more players is not inherently valuable (your second best team's EV <= your best team's EV). Most importantly, in DFS you don't get to fold the bad hands and only put in money on later streets with the strong ones. If you got 10 hands but had to put in 10x the money for all bets and somehow didn't get to benefit from seeing the extra cards then your advantage ~disappears. You win a lot more hands, but not more money since your losses are 10 times as big.

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Old 11-11-2015, 10:55 PM   #1218
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this guy is the opposite of "but how much did you lose"
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:07 PM   #1219
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http://www.tsn.ca/daily-fantasy-spor...-says-1.392182

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Old 11-11-2015, 11:08 PM   #1220
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Lol true
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:26 PM   #1221
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Lulz,DFS's competition pays some hack to give an opinion favorable to their interests.Standard douchebaggery.
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:49 PM   #1222
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I'd imagine casino lobby has considerable clout in CA. Not like DK/FD do much for Canada.
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:56 PM   #1223
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By winning do you mean winning the tournament? If so, of course the guy entering 500 lineups is more likely to win the tournament. But unless he is more than 500x as likely as an equally skilled player putting in 1 lineup, he does not have an inherent advantage.

Your poker analogy is flawed for a bunch of reasons. For example, seeing extra cards is valuable in poker (card removal), but getting to pick more players is not inherently valuable (your second best team's EV <= your best team's EV). Most importantly, in DFS you don't get to fold the bad hands and only put in money on later streets with the strong ones. If you got 10 hands but had to put in 10x the money for all bets and somehow didn't get to benefit from seeing the extra cards then your advantage ~disappears. You win a lot more hands, but not more money since your losses are 10 times as big.
OK you got me, bad analogies there. I didn't know FTP had multi-entry tournaments which are a better comparison. With that said, are you going to tell me that a poker pro has no edge in a tournament where they can multi-table against average and single entry players?
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:19 AM   #1224
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It's gambling and a net negative to society, like marriage. I still think it should be allowed.
shutup your a woman what do you know about sports?
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:38 AM   #1225
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OK you got me, bad analogies there. I didn't know FTP had multi-entry tournaments which are a better comparison. With that said, are you going to tell me that a poker pro has no edge in a tournament where they can multi-table against average and single entry players?
wait, you're saying a pro has an edge over an average player?

it could almost be like a job at that point!
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