so fanduel wants my social security number now?

There is definitely a distinction now between season long fantasy and daily fantasy based on all of this. But using your bowling analogy, chance does not play a material role in the outcome of a bowling match. The bowlers have control during the match. If a bowler quits during the match, they forfeit. If a DFS player gives up during a contest because his lineup is doing ****ty that night, he can still win with that lineup because it's out of his control.

There are skilled DFS players, but DFS is not a skill game.

If the AG wanted to negotiate he'd be negotiating,not shutting down DFS in NY.You don't get your name in papers and on the cable news shows by being reasonable,you get publicity by being bold and protecting consumers and saying cool things like ''not on my watch!'' lol.Unless the sites and the players get some state pols working for us this guy ain't gonna budge.

Everyone's getting the identity check now? I'm from nys but not currently in ny for poker reasons. Will it be a hassle to keep playing for me?

Is proper grammar one of the primary requirements in posting 2 plus 2? No so den i dink yew shud STFU ohk?

The AG has literally been in bed with casino lobbyists before, his ex-wife. Several years ago he/she were involved in a bidding scandal over which companies were awarded NY gaming licenses. His ex-wife lobbied for the company that originally won the bid, but was later exposed and another company ended up getting the bid instead.

He is not going to back down if the Casino's are paying his bills. NY Casino's/racetracks have been performing poorly for years. The NY lottery is doing even worse. If DFS has 500,000 real money players in NY, the Casino interests are probably salivating at the idea of a ban to boost the bottom line.

The response from Florida yesterday seems pretty promising:

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/604...s-legislation/

The proposed legislation seems pretty reasonable, though feel free to correct me

Sorry, but the bolded part above has nothing to do with what was actually said by the NY AG to FanDuel.

I posted a copy of the actual Letter above, please read it before confirming you do not know much about that of which you post.

Briefly, there is no "order" and FanDuel and counsel were told to come in and meet to show why the AG is off the mark. The next step would be for the AG to go to Court orc change his mind, or FD and DK might head to Court themselves, pull out, run a bunch of FREE NY contests or something else.

(I am interested in the AG's distinction between dfs and traditional fantasy sports sites, the latter relying on revenues from advertising and only bragging rights or private side bets among players. )

Personally, I think the whole "skill" argument is irrelevant, as NY law seemingly says that betting is illegal, as the "outcome is not in control of the bettor. However, I am not admitted to practice in NY, so that's just a personal view.....

Skillful betting on the aggregate outcome of selected performances on the field may turn something into a contest of who is the best bettor, but it is still betting on the outcome of atheletic performances by someone else.

Again this is something that, at best is an area of State law; Nevada says DFS is sportsbetting and needs to be regulated, now NY AG says it violates NY law as illegal betting on an "outcome ... of a future contingent event "not in control of the bettor.

unlike playing poker, the choices a DFS player makes have zero influence on the outcome of the various sporting events or performances involved.

In general, I think a lot of the language used is biasing. I've never refered to my entry fee in a fantasy contest as a "bet" or "wager". Obviously, that's sort of irrelevant to the conversation but when the media uses such terms it is biasing the readers who have never played fantasy sports.

In theory, the only thing that could stop the New York ban is public outcry outcry since there is a very small window opened with the 5 days for the companies to respond. So people should contact the AG via Twitter or email. If he thinks the case is a loser or going to be a negative publicly he may back down a bit.

FD allowing NY residents to keep playing for now.

Banner on their site right now:

Notice – This weekend’s contests will run as normal, with no restriction for NY users to play. FanDuel received a letter from the NYAG’s but no action is immediately required. We will alert NY users immediately if there is any changes to your ability to enjoy playing on FanDuel. We believe the AG’s interpretation of the law is wrong and that he has mischaracterized our customers and our business. Please reach out to our customer service team if you have questions.

It is obviously inarguable that NFL players have skills that make them professional athletes. It is also inarguable that those skills are what lead to yards, touchdowns, etc. The more talented a player (and his teammates) the more likely they are to score touchdowns and get yards. There is no meaningful amount of chance in this or we'd all have a shot to be an NFL player. If you let the Pats play a u10 football team they would score every single play because they have superior skill.

When picking players for a DFS roster all you are doing is using a different skill to identify which players will demonstrate their skills in more proficiently in the coming game. It isn't luck that allows these players to pickup yards and touchdowns. A DFS player picking these players is just someone utilizing the powers of observation and statistics to determine which players will shine in a given day/week.

Just heard on the radio(wfan/ny) that the AG has given the sites 5 days to convince him otherwise,so hopefully you're right.I'm not optimistic.

CDL,

A DFS player is making a bet on an outcome of something they have no control over, your argument is invalid. It's very clearly gambling.

Don't forget the brick and mortar bookies want it gone too.

If you can get the Mike Francesa show WFAN-NY FD CEO Nigel Eccles will be on at 5:00 pm edt.

Terrible idea going on Francesa imo.

Lol Mike doesn't understand DFS at all. Last time he had someone on he spoke about horse racing the entire time.

Lol, Francesca is super old school probably never played fantasy sports in his life. But maybe he'll play nice since I'm sure they adversitie with WFAN. Fanduel is also a huge advertiser with the Brooklyn Nets I'm sure that deal will end if they have to pull out of New York.

but the bet is a skill based bet which the law allows. The law is written to talk about material levels of chance. It doesn't matter whether or not you have any control over it.

It's gambling and a net negative to society, like marriage. I still think it should be allowed.

The reason why is because DFS so closely resembles human horse racing. Only in horse racing you have the option to bet a single horse or make exotic bets. DFS you basically need all of your horses to perform well, like an exotic bet. Try explaining DFS to older people or gamblers - "That sounds alot like horse betting"

This doesn't matter if the payment processors pull out first, which is happening right now. The payment processors have already requested that the sites restrict NY users. Unless FD/DK start selling 'dvds' that come with a deposit credit (like poker processors circa black friday), game over NY. Cue Frank Sinatra

Where are you seeing this

The sheeple and Philadelphia lawyers calling in are infuriating as well.Mike's a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to horse racing.I'm well versed in the goings on at the track.Inside info is currency at the track.Stable hands and assistants sell info on whose fit and ready or sore and sick and maidens who are ready to pop.Clockers withhold superior workouts and publish the mediocre ones and sell or use the info for themselves,God knows what medications are coursing through the veins of a horse in any given race.Several years ago a horse with a chance win the triple crown scratched out of the Belmont Stakes under a cloud of suspicion,the Belmont f@*&ing Stakes one of the top races in the world.Nothing's 100% on the up and up Mike,especially our beloved horse racing.