the whole skill vs gambling thing needs to be put to rest already. my God.

Yeah. I don't even know what that means.

idk if it needs its own thread so ill just post here

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/...awsuit-fanduel




seems ... silly?

I get the impression that FD and DK were both naive in this whole thing - like there was never any contingency plans in place to address all the potential legal backlash. They never really anticipated any of these allegations which could have come about eventually without the Haskell incident. And when I see the dreaded online petition I just signed at FD, I always hope that's not a big piece of their fight - always seems like a desperate last resort.

man you ain't kidding, and even that "effort" was started over a week after everything blew up.

like plan a- plan y was hope and pray. Plan z, time to take action, petition.

No, it is a strategy to show public interest which can legitimatize conversations of DFS being competition with prizes instead of slot machines. That politicians' constituencies feel that way. That the courts ought to interpret it that way.

The courts should decide things based on the law and not because of popular consent. Just the idea that FD and DK thought it would be perfectly fine for their employees to play like whales on other sites, while at the same time having access to inside info is mind-blowing. Will the answers to the NY AG's questions be made public at some point? My suspicion is that inside data was not limited to an employee's own site.

And yes, I'd agree that a petition seems like the kind of thing that's done after a ban and not before. Now we're seeing that the FD CEO is urging government regulation. It just seems to me that the investigations could possibly uncover some more practices that were not appropriate....at all.

Sports Tradex done

https://rotogrinders.com/threads/ann...nership-934335

I was wondering how hard the recent troubles were hitting the smaller sites. That might not have even been an issue here, but I don't think this will be the last small site to cease to exist in the next few months. I mean the model is get funding, grow exponentially, get more funding, or die, and both growth and funding seem like they'd be harder to come by now.

lol Garcon

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...c=typd&lang=en

nj next up

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/5762/nj-dfs-bill/

Bad enough NJ had to aids up online poker now they are trying to do it with DFS.

God damn it man. Just moved to NJ and I thought I would be good. OOPS

lol, because you think possible regulation of DFS is more likely material to your being "good" than is everything else attendant to "living in NJ" ?

You got me there

Looks like they are trying to make it NJ only using (I assume) geolocation or some other method to ensure only NJ players participate.

Really, really lame.

How is that not going to flop? They are taking something that will print money and killing it.

I have no idea what the solution is. How can a site pay off the 40+ legal states and still turn a profit? I guess that's not even on table. Regulated gambling in the US is always going to be state by state.

yall should check out the comments on footballguys, a fantasy football oriented website. the vitriol and idiocy is astounding. actually, on second thought, proly should stay away bc its too infuriating.

I don't understand the blind hatred of the industry that I have seen on other forums (if someone doesn't like the commercials then why don't they just not play? How is seeing a DFS commercial any worse than the Viagra/Beer/Verizon commercial that is played every commercial break as well?)

However I think most of us pro-DFS people are missing something (most of us are just pro-poker, pro-gambling to begin with, which I think is correct, if you aren't hurting anyone it shouldn't be banned). One point I think we easily dismiss is that the people criticizing the industry do correctly realize that very few of us can actually be winners (and most of us even on this site probably won't be winners although we all strive to be or get enough entertainment value out of it to keep playing), so when they say the commercials are something like a get-rich-quick scheme they are actually correct when it comes to the target audience for those commercials, and when the sites don't do anything to cater to the actual casual player (and even mislead the casual player with impossible bonuses they will never be able to clear -- unlike poker which the bonuses could actually be cleared within a couple redeposits for the losing player), I think you start to see where some of the anger might be coming from. Many of these people have deposited and gotten raped worse than would even be possible in a penny poker game (and it is harder to win at the $1 DFS level than the penny stakes in poker), that is why they are bitter and don't think this industry is legitimate. Meanwhile, we don't care as long as the next wave of advertisements bring in another batch of fresh meat. Eventually that runs dry, and I think DFS is close to maximum capacity now.

We want the the industry to be blindly accepted, but want it to be pretty much blindly accepted on our terms that are favorable to raping the casual player. Of course we all want to make money, but personally, I want a long-term sustainable industry that I will be able to enjoy the rest of my life. Why is anyone surprised the casual player is upset? Poker is/was much more noob-friendly than DFS. Don't get me wrong, I want DFS to live long and prosper but reading the high-volume grinders comments at sites like Rotogrinders are just as bad and delusional as the comments you guys think are bad from the casuals that are negative towards the industry. People still want to avoid the term gambling at all costs and think this is similar to investing in the stock market. Just laughable from the pro-grinder side at the moment as well.

Agree. I play primarily for entertainment (however I do try to win!!) and would love nothing more than for this to last for year to come.

I think there will be quite a bit of consolidation during the remainder of the year / first half of next year. That would have happened to some degree eventually, but the legal / legislative / regulatory attention definitely accelerated the process.

This is a draft bill, could end up being pretty far from final form.

Here's a good summary of the landscape in NJ. A hearing next Monday in the Assembly should provide additional clues.

I wouldn't read too much into the current form of the bill, but definitely agree that ring-fencing would be a bad idea.

great points about the perspective of casual joe vs high volume grinder. imo this is such a huge huge point of emphasis as it relates to the long term success of dfs but i just dont see the sites really addressing it at all. i see minor improvements here and there but clearly theyre not taking it seriously enough. its pretty shocking that they either a) dont seem to realize the importance of this (i suppose its also true that im overstating it but if the conversations i have with people irl about this are any indication im not) or b) just dont care. its absurd.

It seems to be under the radar so far, but FanDuel's co-founder says they're coming "soon" to the UK:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/busine...ot_soon_quot_/

They don't even have a product for soccer so they'll fail miserably overseas until they do.

And that's why online regulated gaming will never work in the US. The states have too much power. Poker and DFS is better unregulated. Look at PA, u can play on Bovada, Fanduel and DK, and also play legally live. Find yourself a 420 guy and playing in PA is the nuts.

Just went to withdraw from FanDuel for the first time and they asked me for my SSN. Have they been doing this forever? Haven't come across this level of verification on any of the other sites. Just seems pretty extreme for someone like me who isn't even close to having made enough to get issued a 1099