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10-11-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Buffalo66
With a Buffett sized bankroll you could diversify your cash game contests to help minimize variance. So yes, a bankroll by itself helps.

It only helps in GPPs if you're good at making multiple lineups. Again, this is where the algorithmic automated entry/edit becomes an issue.
Why do you need a Buffett sized bankroll to make multiple cash game teams? Even if your bankroll is $100 and you play 10 $1 50/50s you can roll out 10 different cash game lineups if you want.
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10-11-2015 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34
ive never understood the whole 'players with the most entries win more/bigger bankroll bigger advantage' kinda arguments. i mean sure the guy who has 200 entries is more likely to win the tournament than the guy who has 1 but hes also going to go broke much quicker if hes not a good player. like somebody said already it only gets you to the long run faster.

the edge that ray and max have in these things doesnt come from the fact that they have a bigger bankroll. if you gave the average dip**** rg forum member who complains about these types of things an equal sized bankroll to play in these big tourneys he would just lose it quicker.
I will have to concur with you in full. First one has to get priorities right. What comes first, the horse or cart ? So any player has to know what long term net profitability they are happy with DFS. Is it per annum 1k, 5k, 10k, 100k etc.. ?

Then one can manage grow one's bankroll towards that target and assess at the end if that is being achieved on a consistent basis. Bigger bankroll and multi-entries will be money faster down the drain if one does not have a focused aim.

Ray and Max are not be all and end all. There is countless way to cook the chicken, find yours and work at it.
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10-11-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
Why do you need a Buffett sized bankroll to make multiple cash game teams? Even if your bankroll is $100 and you play 10 $1 50/50s you can roll out 10 different cash game lineups if you want.
You don't, but you are still facing the guys with Buffet sized bankrolls in those contests.
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10-11-2015 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty moose
What are these scripts and algorithms you guys speak of?
Scripts are programme's you can use to make mass entries and mass edits. Shady as there is no industry standard across the board on its usage. Some ban it outright, some allow it and some are ambiguous.

Algorithms are tools people use to do analytic's and create as much optimal line-ups under the salary cap's of players.

There is no fool proof method, it works sometimes and it fails at other times. Variance is tough beast to overcome, best to not underestimate it.
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10-11-2015 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Buffalo66
With a Buffett sized bankroll you could diversify your cash game contests to help minimize variance. So yes, a bankroll by itself helps.
Just play lower stakes then if this is how you feel, then you will have a "Buffett size bankroll" relative to your stakes.
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10-11-2015 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MediocrePlayer2.0
Just play lower stakes then if this is how you feel, then you will have a "Buffett size bankroll" relative to your stakes.
I never said a large bankroll was necessary for cash games, I only said it helps.
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10-11-2015 , 09:07 PM
When I was firing off a bunch of stacks in MLB gpps it sorta felt like cheating tbh. But you need a fairly substantial BR just to do it in something as small as a $2 or $5 contest. I'd be surprised if the average dfs account balance was large enough to even justify spamming the quarter arcade.
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10-12-2015 , 11:52 AM
That dude's reddit story reached the NYT: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/12...ball.html?_r=1

First time I've seen Aguiar's mentioned as the phone-ownership guy
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10-12-2015 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Priptonite
That dude's reddit story reached the NYT: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/12...ball.html?_r=1

First time I've seen Aguiar's mentioned as the phone-ownership guy
That article is such sensationalism, just crap.
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10-12-2015 , 12:05 PM
Meanwhile:

"Both @DraftKings and @FanDuel experienced their biggest Sunday of the NFL season, per @superlobby."
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10-12-2015 , 12:42 PM
Meanwhile stars draft no longer allowing fl residents to play and ag going after fd and dk. Gonna need to move out of state if it gets banned in fl
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10-12-2015 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Meanwhile:

"Both @DraftKings and @FanDuel experienced their biggest Sunday of the NFL season, per @superlobby."
A couple smaller sites I play on had their best NFL week as well, impressive. It looks like a max exodus of concerned Joe 6packs isn't going to be the issue. Only the sites themselves can kill DFS, and they're on the "right" track.
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10-12-2015 , 01:11 PM
People may be playing a bit more believing that they may not be able to play forever.
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10-12-2015 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Meanwhile:

"Both @DraftKings and @FanDuel experienced their biggest Sunday of the NFL season, per @superlobby."
I believe this is $$$ spent only and not unique users.
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10-12-2015 , 01:45 PM
Avg joe's don't give a **** about scandals. We've seen this over and over again on poker sites.
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10-12-2015 , 01:54 PM
The low stakes GPP's are bigger on FD for next week:

$200K $1 Dive
2 $500K $2 Snap's
$200K $1 single entry
$150K $2 single entry

$2MM $5 Rush is the same
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10-12-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Avg joe's don't give a **** about scandals.

I think it's more about this...

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Originally Posted by Buffalo66
I believe this is $$$ spent only and not unique users.
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10-12-2015 , 04:37 PM
Does Joe Tall hold an equity stake in these DFS sites or something?
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10-12-2015 , 04:43 PM
Seems like it right? lol
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10-12-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurp Durpington
Does Joe Tall hold an equity stake in these DFS sites or something?
No.
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10-12-2015 , 07:44 PM
Oh ok
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10-12-2015 , 11:55 PM
Joe Tall confirmed shill just because he doesn't think the DFS world is ending. On a more serious note, glad to see so many people playing this weekend. If only we can continue the positive momentum without people complaining so much.
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10-13-2015 , 12:05 AM
he posts the same stuff in every thread defending the dfs industry at all costs but never talks about games. I just started posting here a month ago and actually thought it was public knowledge he was a shill before he denied it since all his posts are political. not that the posts are bad or anything, some of the articles are useful to read
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10-13-2015 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JumanjiBoard
Joe Tall confirmed shill just because he doesn't think the DFS world is ending. On a more serious note, glad to see so many people playing this weekend. If only we can continue the positive momentum without people complaining so much.
I'm a Joe Tall fan but we do know he works in the industry, I was actually surprised to hear he does not have an equity stake with one of the smaller companies. We also know you are part of the top few percent of winners as well as a couple others you team up with here.

That does not mean I don't want you or anyone else to be successful, I do want you to be. What most of us are saying is we want the industry to start taking more of a long-term view as opposed to their current focus being solely short-term valuations like it is now. You can have your pie both now and later if we do things right, it might just be a slightly smaller piece now for a bigger piece later.

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10-13-2015 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
he posts the same stuff in every thread defending the dfs industry at all costs but never talks about games. I just started posting here a month ago and actually thought it was public knowledge he was a shill before he denied it since all his posts are political. not that the posts are bad or anything, some of the articles are useful to read
Never talks about games? What do you want or need to know about games (actual sporting events or DFS game structure)?

I dont post links that don't mean anything, at least not the ones that are crap (there is a lot of them lately.) I dont work for DK or FD nor am I invested in them.

I do work in the industry, I have for 4 years now.

And just two years ago at FSTA Chicago, I sat in a room w/representatives of FanDuel, DraftKings, DraftDay, FantasyFeud, Star Fantasy Leagues, DraftStreet and StarStreet. I called them together to talk about self regulation. None of them, except Star Fantasy Leagues, wanted anything to do with it. My CEO at the time warned them of the very thing that is happening now.

I am pro freedom, pro gaming, and pro regulation. I still love and play poker. I still love DFS but dont play as of last week(chose not to play by my own recognizance as my CEO and lawyer said I'd be fine to keep playing.)

Ask away, I'll answer and I'll give you the truth. That's why I pound so hard on every channel, as I just try to speak logic and truth.

Here is one thing that I have said to a few, well before the Ethan Haskell situation: enjoy DFS while it is here, learn it, get in there, get the money, this window might not be open or the model might not last.

Last edited by Joe Tall; 10-13-2015 at 01:01 AM. Reason: recognizance? am I using that correctly?
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