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This late swap is gonna kill NBA for me and prolly lots of people. I'm sure all the pros have people in the know who will know starting lineups earlier so now they have even more of an edge

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10-13-2016 , 12:42 PM

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NDfan

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Late swap is what put DK ahead of FD for me. This really evens them out now, especially if they remove it from all sports.

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10-13-2016 , 12:56 PM

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wesrwood

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Originally Posted by NDfan

Late swap is what put DK ahead of FD for me. This really evens them out now, especially if they remove it from all sports.

They said it's just NBA

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10-13-2016 , 01:59 PM

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Swag *Official*

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Originally Posted by Swag *Official*

I think it's just for the preseason to get casuals hooked? I can't imagine they'd abide these super-flat payouts once the NBA regular season gets underway and hope for the same amount of volume from regs and pros with that rake. $1K up top for a $60K prize pool? Please.

Actually, I take that back: Looks like they're going up to 30% payouts on the lower buyin games. Saw it scale back to 20% around $5 level in NFL.

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10-13-2016 , 02:42 PM

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Jean

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Fwiw FD UK (soccer only) introduced late swap a month ago or so. No idea whether that means anything for regular FD.

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10-13-2016 , 03:54 PM

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Zenzor

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Originally Posted by Swag *Official*

The beginning of the end? Just got that email from DraftKings essentially killing late swap for basketball. IF I WANTED TO PLAY ON CRAPPY FANDUEL, I'D PLAY ON CRAPPY FANDUEL. So dumb. I bet this is the first signal of their eventual merger to FanDuel.

Yeah, because it was totally fair to expect recreational players to ditch their everyday lives to sit at the computer to make last minute lineup changes

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10-13-2016 , 04:02 PM

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wesrwood

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Originally Posted by Zenzor

Yeah, because it was totally fair to expect recreational players to ditch their everyday lives to sit at the computer to make last minute lineup changes

You don't have to sit on your computer you can check your phone 10 minutes before each game started

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10-13-2016 , 04:08 PM

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Zenzor

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Originally Posted by wesrwood

You don't have to sit on your computer you can check your phone 10 minutes before each game started

The edge should come from a players ability to create superior lineups, not from having the free time necessary to check their computers/phones to make last minute changes. Not everyone has time to check for updates throughout the night. As someone who plays very casually (and most players do), I'm very happy about these changes.

Professional players aren't nearly as important to the DFS ecosystem as they make themselves out to be. For as long as an edge remains to be had in NBA DFS, the regs aren't actually going to quit, despite their threats. We have seen this all before with poker sites.

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10-13-2016 , 04:25 PM

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JumanjiBoard

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If you don't think it's a skill to constantly adapt to changes in the nba landscape, I don't know what to tell you.

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10-13-2016 , 04:29 PM

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EddyB66

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I'm pretty happy about the late swap as well, for a multitude of reasons.

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10-13-2016 , 06:41 PM

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johnnyv5000

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Why basketball? This is very disappointing

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10-13-2016 , 07:09 PM

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NDfan

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Originally Posted by johnnyv5000

Why basketball? This is very disappointing

Agree, seems like the worst sport to do this on.

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10-13-2016 , 08:11 PM

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Shoe

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Originally Posted by NDfan

Agree, seems like the worst sport to do this on.

Perhaps the worst for sharks, but the best for casuals.

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10-13-2016 , 09:59 PM

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CanadaPete

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Originally Posted by Shoe

Perhaps the worst for sharks, but the best for casuals.

It's a good change but my concerns are :

A. People with really good information have a bigger edge since injury information is not always let out at the same time.

B. If they continue with the extremely flat payouts everyone's edge might be completely whipped out. The fun of the nba is taking some flyers on riskier players. If first is 1k in a 60k prize pool and they pay 30 percent of spots you basically equalize high risk with safe strategy.

In summary I'm still really concerned with the road they are going down. Tend to believe almost all of their recent moves are directed at removing skill edges from their games.

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10-13-2016 , 10:06 PM

#2565

wesrwood

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Originally Posted by CanadaPete

But haven't they been using the skill element to get regulated ?

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10-13-2016 , 10:13 PM

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Zenzor

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Originally Posted by Shoe

Perhaps the worst for sharks, but the best for casuals.

Agree. I'm very happy about these changes. I shouldn't be at a disadvantage simply because I don't always have the spare time necessary to make last minute lineup adjustments. The only people upset about these changes are professional DFS players who comprise a minority of the player pool and are hardly important to the quality of the games. If anything, the site is better off with fewer professionals.

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10-14-2016 , 12:49 PM

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mavsfan4ever

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Originally Posted by Zenzor

Agree with all of this. If I make a lineup when I get a spare few minutes at work, I don't want to have to be at a huge disadvantage because I don't check injuries later on. I may have work, plans, not be watching the game, etc. Casuals like myself play for fun and aren't hooked to the game 24/7. It's definitely not fun logging later that night and realizing you never had a chance because of late swaps.

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10-14-2016 , 01:36 PM

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IlluminatedK

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im worried hockey volume is so bad this year that the good folks at 2p2 haven't even bothered to dedicated a thread to it here yet =/

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10-14-2016 , 01:57 PM

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Canuckage

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Originally Posted by IlluminatedK

im worried hockey volume is so bad this year that the good folks at 2p2 haven't even bothered to dedicated a thread to it here yet =/

+1. I love hockey dfs but sucks that the Tuesday $3 and $20 didn't reach the guarantee yesterday and now all the prize pools will suck.

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10-14-2016 , 02:18 PM

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wesrwood

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There's no basketball thread either

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10-14-2016 , 05:09 PM

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Canuckage

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I haven't played DFS for almost 6 months because I mainly bet on hockey. There is a $3 entry with 60k guarantee but $1.5k up top. Is this the norm now?

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10-14-2016 , 09:53 PM

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Lawnmower Man

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If sites really want to stop lineup sharing, there's a relatively easy way to do it in cash games that doesn't involve policing unenforceable rules: pseudo-random pricing. In other words, each contest id would offer slightly--or maybe drastically--different player pricing. Lineup sharing greatly reduced. Copying David Dodds's cash lineup from his blog wouldn't work so well anymore. There are pros and cons (and those will differ depending on who you are). Thoughts?