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Latest (probably only) poll showed that 66%of New Yorkers agreed with him unfortunately. Doubt he is politically stupid. But hard to not hate him indeed

66% think it's illegal gambling.Same poll also showed NYAG's approval ratings haven't budged at 29% and 49% don't know or care who he is.FWIW poll was 882 reg. voters.Polls are all about how the questions are asked,I would rather they asked do you think it should be legal/illegal? Then the headline might be different.

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01-01-2016 , 02:52 PM

#1877

wesrwood

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

So? The actual bonus release rate is irrelevant.

For 200 dollars? That means Most people with ever release it. I don't care cause I actually profit from the sites but you have to look at it from the general publics perspective

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01-01-2016 , 02:53 PM

#1878

Lattimer

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The initial deposit bonus never expires (on Fanduel anyway)

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01-01-2016 , 02:53 PM

#1879

wesrwood

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

The initial deposit bonus never expires (on Fanduel anyway)

Lol @ you siding with them for making someone spend 5000 to get 200

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01-01-2016 , 02:55 PM

#1880

IgorSmiles

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I hope I get money back from Draft Kings as I will promptly donate it to Schneiderman's opponent in the next election.

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01-01-2016 , 02:55 PM

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TimTimSalabim

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

The initial deposit bonus never expires (on Fanduel anyway)

That may be true, I only played on DK where mine expired rather quickly once it was transferred over from DS.

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01-01-2016 , 02:55 PM

#1882

Lattimer

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Originally Posted by wesrwood

For 200 dollars? That means Most people with ever release it. I don't care cause I actually profit from the sites but you have to look at it from the general publics perspective

General public's perspective: Hey look, they offer a bonus! Instead of researching how it works, I'll just assume it works like this. <deposit> Oh hey, I was wrong about how it works. Who can I point the finger at? Certainly not me!

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01-01-2016 , 02:56 PM

#1883

wesrwood

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Originally Posted by IgorSmiles

I hope I get money back from Draft Kings as I will promptly donate it to Schneiderman's opponent in the next election.

If you get money then draftkings and fanduel will be out of business and prolly declare bankruptcy . Wonder what happens to everyone's money on the site at that point

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01-01-2016 , 02:57 PM

#1884

IgorSmiles

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Originally Posted by BillyPhelan

Does this guy realize he's an ELECTED official.If 600k-1.2m NY DFS players don't make this prick pay in '18 we deserve everything we get.

He realizes it. And you can bet his aspirations don't stop at Attorney General.

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01-01-2016 , 02:58 PM

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Lattimer

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Originally Posted by wesrwood

Lol @ you siding with them for making someone spend 5000 to get 200

Lol @ you for not allowing a private company to set whatever rebate policy they choose.

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01-01-2016 , 02:58 PM

#1886

Lattimer

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I'm not happy about the 4% release rate, but they have every right to set it to that.

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01-01-2016 , 03:00 PM

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IgorSmiles

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Originally Posted by wesrwood

If you get money then draftkings and fanduel will be out of business and prolly declare bankruptcy . Wonder what happens to everyone's money on the site at that point

I couldn't say but unlike the poker sites, these guys are US based and operating in plain sight, so the players are less likely to get screwed.

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01-01-2016 , 03:03 PM

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TimTimSalabim

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

The general public though is the customer that you want to keep coming back, like the recreational player at the poker table. If your policy is to trick them with fine print, knowing that most of them will realistically have no shot at cashing but a small fraction of their bonuses, then your business doesn't have much chance of succeeding in the long term.

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01-01-2016 , 03:06 PM

#1889

Lattimer

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Originally Posted by TimTimSalabim

I agree, but that's the sites' choice to make. There's nothing wrong with it in a legal sense, it's just a poor business decision.

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01-01-2016 , 03:07 PM

#1890

wesrwood

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

Lol @ you for not allowing a private company to set whatever rebate policy they choose.

It's about them trying to deceive people. There's no need for that .

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01-01-2016 , 03:17 PM

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cs3

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

Eh, I never felt they were misleading people with that. That's how all online bonuses work - poker, sports books, etc. It's the person's own fault if they made that false assumption, there's fine print to everything.

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

The very first time I made an online deposit I probably expected the bonus to be available right then and there (I honestly don't remember it was over a decade ago). When I realized it wasn't, I learned how it worked, and said "oh, ok". I didn't make a ****ing federal case out of it JFC.

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Car dealerships often advertise these great lease offers, get this car for just $199/month or whatever. It's only in the fine print that it's discovered they have to put like $3k down to get that offer. Where's the lawsuit?????

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So? The actual bonus release rate is irrelevant.

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Way to completely miss the point.
You do realize that the point of the bonus is to lure in new customers right?
Think about it for maybe a fraction of a second

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01-01-2016 , 03:20 PM

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BillyPhelan

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Simple solution if the bonus release is a problem.Make deposit,read the rules,if you don't like them withdraw deposit.Or better yet, read the rules first and decide.It's easy when you think like an adult and not like a whining p***y who needs govt. mommies protection.

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01-01-2016 , 03:27 PM

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SA16

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If someone is dumb enough to deposit $600 and think the site will instantly give them $1200 they deserve to lose all their money anyway. As Billy says the rules all say the release rate of the bonuses. If you want to know how things work generally reading the rules/instruction manuals/ToS is a good idea. If not don't complain when things aren't what you falsely assumed them to be.

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01-01-2016 , 03:39 PM

#1894

wesrwood

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You guys are clearly missing the point

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01-01-2016 , 03:42 PM

#1895

Lattimer

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Originally Posted by cs3

Way to completely miss the point.
You do realize that the point of the bonus is to lure in new customers right?
Think about it for maybe a fraction of a second

I think you're missing the point. We're arguing about legalities here. While what they're doing isn't good for players and a poor business decision fostering bad PR, it's not illegal nor should it be.

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Exactly.

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01-01-2016 , 03:57 PM

#1896

Lawnmower Man

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

How do you know this? Did you apply all of the standards from the Lanham Act and determine this is some kind of legal certainty?

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01-01-2016 , 04:00 PM

#1897

IgorSmiles

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This debate might be relevant if the NY AG actually cared about protecting consumers.

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01-01-2016 , 04:03 PM

#1898

CanadaPete

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im down quite a bit lifetime and I still enjoy the product. Put in a lineup a nite try to hit a big score. Don't expect to win. I'm sure this is how a majority of losing players feel.

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01-01-2016 , 04:54 PM

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DuckSauce

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im down quite a bit lifetime and I still enjoy the product. Put in a lineup a nite try to hit a big score. Don't expect to win. I'm sure this is how a majority of losing players feel.

No majority of losing players think they should actually be winners and if they aren't winning it's because they are being cheated/bad luck/etc.