Only because it’s 8-man (w/ otherwise basic starting PPR requirements) I think you have to fist-pump snap Kelce at 2.03.

The two leagues where I picked Kelce at #8 and spent first round level auction capital on Kelce were the two I cashed in so shrugemoji I guess

How do You guys think about the following tier(s) in ppr: Mixon,swift,kamara,jones,barkley,chubb,fournette,z eke, javonte?

I'm finding I dont ever want to draft: Mixon/swift/jones/chubb/zeke at current ADPs...very much like kamara/fournette at ADPs, and very intrigued by javonte/barkley

at a quick glance at adp i'd go chubb and kamara, not touch barkley with a 20 foot bargepole, then the value for the rest seem kind of correct, although my quick look might be a couple of weeks out of date if there's been any significant moves behind the top 5-6 backs

Yeah, I get the positional advantage standpoint, especially in 8 man. I just think Diggs is going to absolutely crush this year, and I want him haha. He had the second most unrealized air yards last year.

However, I think I would strongly consider Kelce if Digg is gone. I don't really care for Adams, CeeDee, Mixon, or Swift at the 2.03. So I think I'd need to get like Diggs or Najee/Dalvin falling to me there to not take Kelce. Kelce may also go at 2.02, as the guy who has 1.07 is pretty sharp and is probably going to take him at 2.02. I'm definitely not taking Kelce at 1.06, though. I just can't do it.

Haha, I'll admit, the only league I won last year was a 10 man from the 1.08 where I took Kelce at 2.03 and Waller at 3.08. It's also my softest league.

Mixon and Swift are definitely too expensive, imo, at least relative to the others. If we know for certain Kamara is not getting suspended, I'd definitely take him over those two. I also like Fournette and Barkely over them, so I find myself just passing on Mixon and Swift and targeting Barkely/Fournette/Javonte/Kamara a round or two later.

I'm completely fading Chubb and Zeke. But I pretty much always fade Chubb in PPR. I think Jones will have a decent season, and I've also been fading him at ADP in my mocks.

I understand the Barkley injury concerns, but I really think he's being slept on. If he can stay healthy, he has top 5 overall potential.

Sleeper ADP currently has it ranked Mixon, Swift, Chubb, Kamara, Jones, Javonte, Barkley, Fournette, and Zeke.

My ranking would be Kamara, Fournette, Barkley, Mixon, Swift, Javonte, Jones, Chubb, and Zeke.

I still don't get why Fournette is being taken as the RB14. It does not make any sense to me.

I think the impact of Rustle at QB for Javonte is really significant in terms of red zone looks and how they'll scheme vs the RB's. So that leads me to the guy 3 years younger who doesn't have the injury flags. It's obviously close, to me.

pretty much exactly where i stand currently

I need some hardcore thoughts on the following WRs please - not sure what to think of them:


Tee Higgins
Amari Cooper
Rashod Bateman
Amon-Ra St. Brown
Devonta Smith

I agree with all of this apart from the Zeke part.

I don't really get why everyone is so down on him this year. You no longer need to take him late 1st/early 2nd and he is more of a mid 3rd to early 4th this year. I can get passing on him in the 3rd but I think he's amazing to get in the 4th.

People keep saying he had a bad season last year but he was still the 7th RB in ppr and I expect much from the same from him this year. He also only misses games when he decides to beat on women

legit 1b to chase's 1a
still can produce but garbage qb prospects limit upside
quieter wr room now but still likely to get limited looks
think he still gets plenty of targets despite free agency and draft acquisitions, kid is a stud
never been a fan, now has ajb to contend with, avoiding strongly this year

think it's partially still pollard truthers who'll likely be disappointed (at least in terms of rushing attempts, believe they are working in more motion/slot routes etc), and or think he's a year older, and the dings he was playing with all last year will eventually catch up to him. he's still a rock solid rb2 with low rb1 upside, although i'm probably taking all of the listed rb's outside of saquon ahead of him

As a life long Cowboys fan I'm drafting Pollard in the second half of the 6th before I'm drafting Zeke in the first half of the 3rd.

Where Zeke goes I'm taking Fournette, Keenan Allen, maybe a few others.

- i'm down on philly pass catching volume being there. He's a Do not touch for me

Tee Higgins - Very high floor with upside capped by Chase. If Chase is who everybody thinks he is Higgins' TS is probably capped at around 23%. Top 5 upside if Chase gets hurt though
Amari Cooper - He is what he always was
Rashod Bateman - Does everything well and should get a TS in the 23-25% range with a good QB
Amon-Ra St. Brown - Slot maven with a QB who likes throwing underneath
Devonta Smith - Had a strong rookie year. A worse version of Higgins in terms of expectations. Should provide nice floor with upside capped by AJB as well as Goedert. Potential for 25% TS whenever AJB is out though.

Problem with Zeke is his lack of upside. In the 4th you should be picking a guy with at least some chance of having a league winner level season and Zeke is very unlikely to do that.

Loving the Saquon hate in here.
I don't think he's RB1 or anything but if he hangs around the 2-3 turn I'm happy to snap him. I expect Kamara to start creeping up as preseason goes on.

Very fair point and is kind of the reason I'm mainly passing on Chubb so maybe I'm just too much of a Zeke fanboy

Zeke has only scored 20 or more PPR points 8 times in the last 2 seasons (32 games). And in both seasons (3 in each), 6 of the 8 games came within the first 5 games of the season.

He hasn’t scored more than 30 points since game 15 of 2019. And that was the only time he did it that season.

His total scoring was propped up from games 2-5 last year. He was RB15 in average fantasy points per game.

Maybe the trend from games 2-5 continues if he doesn’t **** up his knee.

But there is no way the guy isn’t simply wearing down.

I believe I heard he is second most among current active player for NFL touches, behind Mark Ingram. He has 1,650 rushes and 288 receptions. And that doesn’t include all of the bruising he takes from blocking and being out there on a large majority of the snaps in his career as a 3 down back. He also had 650 touches (592 rushes and 58 receptions) in college.

The counter argument is that Dallas really needs Zeke this year, due to the loss of both Amari and Cedrick Wilson. We have no idea how Gallup will look or if the rookies + other young receivers can step up.

It may just be a combo of CeeDee, Zeke, Pollard and Schultz. I’m also down on Dak this year a little because of it and haven’t really targeted him at all in my mocks.

I could see a world where Zeke is a borderline top 5 RB, but it seems unlikely. It would need to be rushing TD driven, which is mainly just luck.

It’s tough though, as Zeke’s ADP is also in a range with other backs I’m fading like Conner, Monty, Akers, etc. It gets kind of bleak after Zeke, so if you’ve gone WR heavy or Kelce/Andrews, Zeke looks like attractive option given the other backs in his price range. I’d rather have AJB, Tee or Keenan.

I love Tee. But I think I love him more as a football player than fantasy player. The top 5 upside is there if Chase gets hurt, plus he showed good production alongside Chase last year. However, he’s going to frustrate you at times if you draft him as your WR1. He didn’t clear 16 fantasy points until game 9 last year. Then scored 16 or more, with a strong 41 point game mixed in, 4 out of the last 6 games. I expect Chase to improve on his 128 targets last year, making things even tougher for Tee to give consistent fantasy production.

Amari is a hard fade. Even if Deshaun is only suspended for the 6 game initial punishment, I wouldn’t want him. He kind of looked like **** last year, and Watson really isn’t that much of an upgrade over Dak. Cleveland’s offense also doesn’t pass near the level of Dallas.

Bateman’s situation is what it is. If you’re okay with a ceiling of 70, 1,000 and 8, then by all means. That’s a pretty good line for WR33 price.

ARSB is too expensive. I’d rather have Cooks, Godwin, ARob, MT, Mooney, JuJu, Bateman, London, etc.

Devonta I feel the same way I do about ARSB. I’d rather have London, Elijah Moore, Burks, Olave, Garrett Wilson, etc.

The backs, QBs, and TEs in the range of ARSB and Devonta are also more attractive. Just a lot in that range with more immediate upside than those two. Each of them need injuries to realize their ceiling.

Small correction to my Zeke post, but it should be 7 of the 8 20 point games came within the first 5 games of the season (4 in 2020 and 3 in 2021).

Who are the TEs you all are liking at current ADPs? I guess especially super late targets...i like shultz in 6, and very much like logan thomas late if he's healthy enough...fine to fall back on higbee as well

i have to say I don't love Schultz in round 6 and have been passing him and just taking Hock in the 8th instead.

My favourite late round TE target is Gerald Everett and think he could smash his ADP with this Cargers offense. Though it is a bit risky cause Parham looks like he will be back for the start of the season

Yeh i stand corrected with my Zeke comments and I have been taking all those WR's over him and think I've only picked him up when he's dropped into the mid 4th

I think Schultz and Hock have converged ADPs. Sleeper has Schultz at 58 and Hock at 61.

I think Schultz is fine. He’s not some great value but he should return solid production for what he is, especially with the Dallas receiving weapon situation.

Ertz is my favorite target. Sleeper has him as TE9, and I think he has TE3 upside, especially in those first 6 weeks without Nuk.

Albert O could be decent at TE14 with the Broncos already losing Patrick, but I don’t think I’d bank on that as my TE1 for my team lol.

I’m fading Pitts, Waller and Kittle at their ADPs. Too much unknown.

Don’t waste your time with Gesicki. He will not return value. Currently TE12 on Sleeper.

Everett isn’t a bad dart throw, but I wouldn’t feel good coming out of the draft with him as my starter.

Maybe Austin Hooper at TE23. He flashed in 2019. He will probably be the third receiving option in the offense.

I don’t think Kmet is all that good, but just like with Hooper, there isn’t a lot of receiving competition. He could return decent value at TE13.

Shultz is fairly priced right now. Wouldn't be shocked to see him land in the top 5 by the end of the season so still plenty of room to outperform his ADP.
I like Hooper and I'm still a moron and would take Engram at the end of the draft if I had to.
Kmet had the 8th most targets last year. Think he can be a top 10 guy.
Seems like TE isn't as bad as the last 2 years.
Also what about Brate? Too inconsistent?