In PPR SF, what do you think of 1.03, 1.08 and Minshew for Ekeler and D Jones?

I'm trying to win now and have needs at RB, though there's always other options. This started with me offering 1.3 for Ekeler. He said he'd do 1.3 and 1.11. I said I'd do 1.11 if he added in DJones. He balked. I said I'd throw in Minshew. He countered with this offer.

I think it's a bit of an overpay, though I'm really low on Daniel Jones so that doesn't help, and with the QB market at the moment there is a decent chance Minshew is a starter for someone this year and you lose a ton of value.

I told him I was sticking to 1.11 rather than 1.08, and he said he'd do the trade if I added 3.03. Whatever, but I told him he shouldn't be squeezing me for a little bit more when he won the title last year off of me trading him Burrow. He insisted on the 3rd, so I declined.

Now I'm trying the 23 1st of the defending champion (that I got in that Burrow trade) and Claypool for Zeke, Brady and Thielen.

Yeah, 1.03 too much for that deal. 1.08, 1.11 and Minshew would probably be more reasonable.

If you win the championship, that second deal works. If not, well you paid a 1st in a high value class for some one, maybe two, year rentals.

But I know you’re a win now kind of guy haha. So it’s definitely a deal that’s up your alley.

I don’t think much of Claypool.

The other offer I have out is Waddle for 1.01. I need to add multiple RBs. I’ve had difficulty dealing with the owners of Henry and CMC. But maybe something will open up as the rookie draft approaches.

Wait so do you have the 1.01,1.03,1.08 and 1.11?

If so I would just hold onto the 1.01 and pick up Breece Hall and if you still need win now RB depth use some of the other picks and target A.Jones or Henry

I don't think Javonte is long for the league unless he has beastmode type genes/health. Guy just loves to make contact. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

I think he’s offered Waddle for the 1.01, but I don’t think that’s enough. The Waddle straight up cutoff is probably 1.03, maybe 1.04.

Going past that, I’d need more on top of the pick to give up Waddle.

Definitely. That's why I like him to have a nice compliment. 65/35 is probably most ideal. I see him a lot like A Jones. He can catch, he can run, he can score TDs, he's quick, etc.

Both of his solid seasons at UNC he had Michael Carter. Last year he had Gordon.

I don't see him as an 80%+ snap share workhorse type back like Najee, young Zeke, CMC, etc.

If I had Javonte, I'd probably be trying to sell him for the farm if I could.

Ah yeh i misread it.

Haha I totally get what your saying here but I have seen Waddle ranked as high as WR4 so the 1.01 + a piece is probably correct . I'm with you and would need more to trade him as I think he is very likely to be a consistent top 10 fantasy WR with top 5 upside

Yeah, KTC has Waddle slightly higher than 1.01 and Breece. I think it's close enough to go with the bigger need. And that in coming year(s) in trying to win now, I can replace Waddle's output easier. Especially since this league only requires two WR starters along with three regular flex, and I've got Chase in one of those starting spots.

The problem with the trade right now is that I need a RB who can start and excel right away, and we don't know if Breece is that until we see landing spot. I guess I'd be taking a chance and figuring Breece will have the value to pivot if needed. The other team has a bigger need at WR than RB (has JT, Gibson, Dobbins), so I've offered that Waddle is a better WR than he could get in the draft.

Ahh, I was saying I’d need Waddle + a little more for the 1.01 and 1.02. 1.03 and maybe 1.04 straight up for Waddle seems about right. And then 1.05+ I’d need more than just the pick to give up Waddle.

But that’s also in a vacuum of making the deal now knowing that picks will gain value as we lead up to the rookie drafts.

Waddle is a beast, but I’m not sure if he has true consistent top 5 ceiling. He probably does. I also hate Tua lol.

His target volume was off the charts, but I want to see him get more YPC and TDs. His YPT was pretty strong, he just didn’t do a ton after he caught it. But he has that ability. I think it was more so the Dolphins and Tua that were the problem there. The potential is there, though.

I've been trying to make a deal for Aaron Jones but the guy is difficult. You'd think he'd just do a fair trade this time since I overpaid to get Josh Allen from him last deal, but no luck so far. He also has a ton of depth at RB and lack of it at WR, so the deal even makes sense for him. Along with JaVonte, who I traded him in the deal for Allen, he has Chubb, Barkley, Etienne, Jones, Edmonds and CEH. So Jones is possibly his RB5. At WR, he just has Jeudy, Elijah Moore, Tim Patrick.

The best offer he's made me so far is Aaron Jones and Fuller for Claypool and Toney. I tried countering Claypool and Toney for AJones and Edmonds, but he refused. The guy hoards RBs and it's impossible to get two from him. I'm thinking of countering that I'll do it if he adds Moore for my Muth. This is TE premium 1.5 PPR compared to 1 PPR for other positions. I have Kelce at TE, and I'd still have Irv Smith behind him. But countering with this guy isn't easy. He's bound to say he'll do it for Kelce in place of Muth. In any case, what do you think of Claypool, Toney and Muth for AJones, Elijah Moore and Fuller? I'm not sure Moore is better than Claypool or Toney, but KTC certainly values him as such.

I mean Jones and Claypool are pretty close to equal value just now so not sure why theres all this added players that we don't really need getting thrown in.

I'd just offer him Claypool + a 3rd for Jones and if he doesn't want to take that I'd look elsewhere cause if the best he's willing to offer is Jones + Fuller for Claypool + Toney he's just taking the piss

Yeah, I actually started with Claypool and Parham for AJones. I hate this guy. Having trouble dealing with anyone, though. I’ll probably just wait till more around the draft.

If I was him, I’d be using one of the RBs, maybe even Javonte or find a Saquon lover, and get better WRs than Claypool or Toney. I’m very down on both.

I’m not really into A Jones much, especially dynasty, but with Davante gone, and depending on what they do at WR, Jones could become even more involved in the passing game.

Lol sample size, but he had 11 targets in the one game Davante missed last year.

I personally think he’d be better off waiting until in-season to make a move with that RB room, but it sounds like he’s generally difficult to deal with overall.

I’m hoping Fuller lands in Cleveland.

I’m just getting antsy still only having Singletary and Gainwell as my starting RBs lol. My sensible offers for Henry, Kamara, CMC, Ekeler and AJones (or any of his RBs) have been met with guys asking for ransoms. But got to figure my 1.03, 1.06, 1.08, 1.11, and two 23 1sts (one likely non-playoff) continue to increase and I’ll have my opportunity.

Lmao. That’s a tough top 2, for sure.

You should be able to either gets backs or make trades with those picks, especially after the draft happens. People will get a lot more interested in specific draft positioning once we have a clear picture of how landing spot affects the player rankings.

Another offer I thought should have got done was his 23 1st back plus 1.11, Claypool and Muth for Ekeler and Andrews. Then I was going to try to trade Lance and Aiyuk for LJax after Garoppolo gets traded. But the guy countered Aiyuk in place of Claypool and 1.03 instead of 1.11. Maybe I can revive that deal closer to the draft. I know he likes the 23 draft, and that deal can be a part of him turning that pick into a high 1st. Just can’t get anyone to be reasonable in this league. I try to show them KTC trade calculator to illustrate how they are asking for too much, but they just say KTC valuations are crap and they don’t care about them.

I think 23st, 1.03, Aiyuk and Muth is more reasonable.

I would have declined that first deal if I had Ekeler and Andrews in TE premium.

Even his counter is 4 relatively unknown commodities for 2 studs, even if Ekeler is hitting the RB career backside.

KTC valuations are crap

You only having them 2 as your starting RBs makes sense on why everyone is holding you to ransom in trades cause you are desperate and will probably have to overpay. I'd be looking to pawn of those 1st round picks on an RB or 2.

If you want to go cheaper and keep the picks maybe take a shot at Josh Jacobs or even lower Sanders

I think he should probably just wait until the draft. Almost guaranteed to get the RB2 of the class at 1.03, whoever that ends up being after we seeing landing spot.

And can probably get another solid option at 1.06 or 1.08.

Jacobs is a solid target. I wouldn’t touch Sanders with a 100 foot pole. Like I don’t even think I’d give a 5th round pick for him lol.

Yeh your right on waiting.

Hall could drop to the 1.03 after the NFL draft depending on where the QB's land and I guess we can always get Kenneth Walker there.

Ah, good idea. Haha. That's what I've been trying to do. I've included picks in offers for CMC, Henry, Kamara, Ekeler and Zeke. This guy with AJones is win-now, needs WRs and has traded away all his picks, so I've been trying to deal him a WR for him. Haven't been able to make a deal yet, but I'm thinking they might reconsider closer to the rookie draft. Or, as tarheels said, I'll also have the option to make the picks. Jacobs is another guy I've been thinking about. I haven't engaged that owner yet, but would closer to the draft. I don't see it as desperate because everyone likes picks, and these teams with the aging RBs might want to rebuild.