I agree it’s not good to vote each season on whether the league returns. The commish does a ton of leagues and just announced late in the season he’d be doing this in all of them. It’s essentially a vote on if you are going to continue, so a No vote is saying the commish will need to find a replacement for you. That’s why I’m thinking none of these leagues will continue that long and so I should go for win-now players like Kelce.
Since it's an offseason trade I assume it is a keeper league, in which case snap give me the Rodgers/Najee/Goedert side. If you get 1-2 more years out of Rodgers it is an absolutely soul crushing win for you.
I think who your RBs are now and your expectation for how solid this league is in terms of longevity are important factors to consider. And even who are your other QBs. It's probably a good trade for the next couple years. But in the long run it might feel painful.
I have an offer out to me of Josh Allen and B Cooks for my Lance, JaVonte and Mac in SF. Thoughts? I could make this one and the Fields+ for Murray trade to make my QBs Allen, Murray and Mills. I’ll have only Singletary left at RB. But that’s a problem I can address later with 1.03, 1.06, 1.08, 1.11, three firsts next year and a bunch of young WRs I can afford to move. Previously I offered him this deal with me additionally including Jeudy and Aiyuk for Hurts and Zeke. He removed them. But according to KTC, they’re just about even anyway.
I think that’s a snap call. At this point, all Lance and Javonte are is potential. They’ve both shown flashes, but nothing has been proven on a consistent basis. They both could boom, but the bust potential is real, especially with Lance. Mac’s ceiling is a high end QB2.
Take Josh and then if you can land Murray, you have two top 5 startup picks. Hell of a combo to roll out each week if they can stay healthy.
I guess that's true, value wise. I'm just lower on Lance and Javonte than most, because there are so many variables that need to be met to actually hit their current values. Javonte is being valued as a borderline top 5 dynasty RB, and Lance is being valued as a back end QB1. Production has not met either of those values so far. Just a lot of risk, imo.
We know what Josh is, and that's a super elite top 3 for the foreseeable future asset. I think he's the first QB to be QB1 in back to back seasons in I don't know how long, might even be the first time.
Maybe you can remove Mac and make it Allen/Cooks for Lance/Javonte. Or maybe even take out Cooks if that'll further convince him to remove Mac.
Fair enough. Josh is the safer side. Lance/Javonte/Mac have more combined overall upside, but the downside is real. Like if Den rolls Melvin and Javonte again, that'll be real annoying. Lance could go out there and be a way worse Lamar. Mac just doesn't have much of a ceiling and has a pretty harsh floor.
I love having top 5 QBs in SF dynasty. It's so valuable.
What really leans me toward doing the deal is my other dynasty under this commish folded. Where I turned the winless orphan team into a champion first season and had Mahomes, Burrow, Chase, Najee and Pitts. Really annoying, but now I get refunded my 23 entry and essentially took their money without ever paying into the league, so whatever.
However, seeing how this commish’s dynasty leagues have no guarantee of lasting, that switches my focus toward treating it more as a redraft. Therefore, I like Mac more than most in the long run but wouldn’t want to play him this year. And trading away Lance and JaVonte for Allen has the potential to look awful in the long run, but I, and probably the league, won’t be around long enough for me to feel it. Allen is a sure-fire stud in the coming season as long as he’s healthy.
So I could now trade the 23 1st of the league champ for Zeke, but I don't know. I could see the defending missing the playoffs. He was only 8-6 this year but got hot in the playoffs. And I know he loves the 23 draft, so I might eventually be able to trade him back his 1st for Ekeler. He has Burrow but weaker at SF with Tua and D Jones. He lacks depth at RB with Ekeler, Monty/Herbert and Penny, and his WRs are AJB, McLaurin, Godwin, Evans, Hollywood. Godwin's injured and he and Evans both lost Brady. He is strong at TE premium with Andrews and Hock. He's a good owner too. He'll probably make the playoffs if he wants to. But if things start going wrong, I could see him deciding to punt and wanting his pick back.
The guy with Henry, Kamara and Hopkins also put them on the block, but I'm not sure what he's looking for. At this point, I'm treating this league like redraft my other league with this commish folded after my one season turning the winless orphan into a champion. I'm also eyeing Tyreek, Keenan and Kupp from teams I think should rebuild.
This league is start QB, SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE. Right now my team is:
QB: Allen, Lance, Mills
RB: Singletary, Gainwell, Foreman, D'Ernest
WR: Chase, Waddle, Aiyuk, G Davis, Claypool, Toney, Lockett, Cooks
TE: Kelce, Muth, Irv Smith
Picks: 1.03, 1.06, 1.08, 1.11, 23 1st of likely nonplayoff team (Kupp owner, so I hope to trade it back to him in deal for Kupp), 23 1st of likely playoff team but vulnerable
I'm thinking I'm just going to take the chance on Lance. Maybe it's that I'm a Niners fan. But I'm just not sure guys like Murray and LJax will be better than him this season. I could offer Lance and Aiyuk for LJax, or Lance for Hurts and Etienne
Then I'm looking it as Waddle, Aiyuk, Claypool, and all those picks are available for Zeke, Henry, Kamara, Kupp, Tyreek and Keenan. I'd also be interested in moving Muth plus for a TE upgrade and starting a second TE in flex with the 1.5 PPR. But I don't think there's many targets that make sense since Pitts and Andrews would take an overpay.
Was getting confused as to why you're trying to drift more towards win now given your team was relatively young with a ton of picks to use, then I saw you feared the league might fold. Makes sense. Always think for these sorts of reasons that you should lean more towards win now in a dynasty start up and not devalue older players massively, if you make playoffs in 2/3 initial seasons you at least cover yourself
Yeah, this is the commish who instituted a vote after the end of each season, and if 6 of 11 owners other than himself don’t vote they want to continue, the league folds. I was shocked the other league folded because it was much more active than this one. I was able to make 21 trades in it. And I was really annoyed that it folded after I had accumulated Mahomes, Burrow, Chase, Najee and Pitts along with others. So I switched my plans to build a dominant long-term team in this league to focusing on winning it this year. And I think I can use people’s obsession with the 23 draft to my advantage.
I think if your goal is to win now I would prefer to keep Fields and Williams over Allen and Cooks. Fields will likely be a top 12 QB this year from running and Javonte is the most likely out of all those guys to provide a large edge this year. His value is also pretty insulated so if they resigned MG you can probably still make the trade then.
You might be right. I just remember all the single digit games from Fields last season, which were cute while I was tanking. Maybe it was all Nagy, but what if it was not? That would ruin my championship hopes. While Allen I think is the No 1 overall fantasy player barring injury. JaVonte I think has top-5 but also a RB2 in his healthy range. I definitely overpaid, but my thinking for treating this like redraft is that I can use my other assets to replace JaVonte’s output relatively cheaply with guys like Henry, Zeke, Kamara, Ekeler.
For win now, who do you like as a TE upgrade for Muth? I’ve got Kelce already.
A guy put Kittle and Waller on the block. I have Lance, so could try for the combo with Kittle. But I’ve owned him in the past and have been annoyed with the injuries. He will cost more than Waller, and we don’t know about his connection with Lance. I could offer Muth straight for Waller, and maybe just add a little more. But of course he also annoyed me with missed games last year. And I’m not sure if Renfrow is stealing his thunder. With the lack of other WRs in LV, I think Waller has got to be a top-5 TE if he’s just healthy.
I think Andrews and Pitts would cost too much to make worth it for me only planning to be in this league a year or two more.