This trade was made before CEH’s injury. But those rankings you use above are post CEH injury so if course he’s much lower. Come on bro.

Last week, fbguys ROS rankings had Henry valued at 47 in ppr. Moore was like 35 and CEH was 18. If your playing half ppr, maybe there are a little different but no where close enough to be so lopsided it deserves a veto.

That Russ/Chubb/etc trade is yet another reason to not play Yahoo Pro Leagues (the rake being reason #1)

I'm an impartial observer in this argument but those FBguys rankings are whack if Henry is 47th ROS in any scoring format.

He’s not ranked 47th lol. He was ranked 2 overall, 47 is just the value they gave him. The numbers for Moore and CEH were also values, not the number they were ranked

I love how Stacker is using draft pick equivalents for in-season evaluation.

It's not about how everyone views the trade as reasonable. It's about how the two teams negotiating value their players given their roster makeup, standing position, etc. Collusion is the ONLY evaluation when considering whether a trade should be upheld or not. If you do not have solid collusion proof, then vetoing or protesting a trade is a complete dick move and will cause people to not want to play with you. Sounds like he plays in leagues where collusion is a big concern, so that's on him. Given Stacker's posts, I'd never play in a league with him.

Do you think most of the NFL thought it was reasonable when Jacksonville traded the 2020 9th overall pick plus what will be an early 5th round pick for journeyman TE Dan Arnold for what could be a mid to late 3rd round pick? Using draft pick equivalents, that's an early 1st and a 5th for an UDFA and a 3rd round pick.

Do you think most of the NFL thought it was reasonable when the Bears gave up a 3rd round, 4th round, and future 3rd round pick to move from 3 to 2 to take Mitchell Trubisky? When SF was never taking Mitch and when Mahomes and Watson were both on the board.

What about when the Texans traded Nuk for DJ, a 2nd round pick, and 4th round pick swaps?

Bad trades happen all the time in real life and fantasy is no different. It doesn't mean the trade deserves to be protested or vetoed. Like SixFour said, Stacker is just unhappy he didn't get to Henry first. Be better.

Hey guys, yes I do get the point that trades where one team gets the better end are part of the game and should not be vetoed. It just seems weird that a Derrick Henry owner would be willing to take those players. I have Derrick Henry in two leagues, and the package better be really sweet for me to give him up. Like a top5/top10 player and another top 10/20 player.

As far as collusion evidence, I am playing in Yahoo Public so I don't have that CSI level of evidence. The Russ/Chubb/Lockett trade speaks for itself and was not allowed. One thing I forgot to mention was that those two teams also did a multi player deal one week before which was allowed, but that trade was more reasonable.

As far as being disappointed that I didn't land Henry, yes I can admit that. I would have been willing to give up Tyreek Hill for Derrick Henry. Tyreek was my first round pick and has top 10 rest of season value. I think that is way more of a fair trade than DJ Moore and Henry. But ya that is water under the bridge now.

There isn't much more for me to add on the subject other than my point that the trade was a total scam. The guy who owns Henry will have stacked lineup starting Henry, Elliott and Swift at his RB and FLEX spots. He'll have Fournette and Cordelle Patterson as his bench RBs. There are only 4 playoff spots, so it looks like I'll be scratching for one of the other 3 spots.

It's my first year doing Yahoo public, so I'll see how it goes. If it's a gong show with alot of shady stuff like the Russ/Chubb/Lockett trade and other moves like this Henry for Moore and CEH trade, maybe it is something to stay away from in the future.

The trade wasn’t a total scam. Henry may be the top fantasy player, but he was one player and the owner was 1-3 with him. He obviously was lacking at WR and wanted to make a one-for-two deal in which he got WR and RB starters. This makes perfect sense for a losing team with one great player. DJM is a 24-year-old ascending player who, after two good seasons, appears to be on the verge of stardom and I believe was the No. 5 WR in PPR at the time (No 7 now) coming off of a 31.9 point game. CEH was a solid fantasy player on one of the best offenses in the league. That the trade didn’t work out for him because he was desperate for a win and DJM got shut down by Slay while CEH got injured is results oriented. He tried to make a move to help his struggling team. It didn’t work out. That’s not a scam. That was actually a better deal to make than the one you’re saying you would have done, Tyreek straight up for Henry. Then he’s just trading one-on-one for a worse player. That didn’t make sense for him. If you had offered him Tyreek and a starting RB for Henry, I’m sure he would have taken it over DJM and CEH. But he didn’t have that option. So he took the offer on the table that made sense for his situation. The only scam involved is you trying to veto reasonable trades that help a competitor.

Yeah I'd veto the one that was vetoed and not the ceh trade.

I've also offered better offers than what is eventually accepted, it happens.

Do people (or groups) create 10+ emails and play a bunch of yahoo leagues together and dump to each other? It seems like an insanely easy way to cheat, but I assume yahoo has some way to see what is going on.

I’ve fallen in love with Chase now in dynasty league where I have Burrow. Thinking of trying DK and Higgins for Chase and Toney.

Is getting a late 2022 1st, J Love and Nico Collins enough for Diontae in dynasty PPR SF?

Hopefully Yahoo has security to protect against this, but I'm not sure to what extent. I did have to submit a copy of my drivers license when when joining the league so at least that is one level of security of two teams are making suspicious trades and they live in the same city etc.

With the issue of the Russ/Lockett/Chubb trade that was vetoed, the two team names were changed to the initials of the Yahoo staff who investigated. For example Brittneys Team and AJ's Team names were changed to JPY1 and JPY2. So I'm not sure if he has control of those teams going forward, or what the deal is. It would have been nice of Yahoo to send an email or statement of what they found or decided, saying whether this was collusion or just a ridiculous trade that was not allowed.

Just curious but do you guys play on any other public paid leagues or is Yahoo the main place to play for those? I didn't even know public paid leagues existed until this year. I've only done free fantasy football on ESPN and NFL.com previously.

Chase is quickly moving up the WR dynasty rankings. I think he's in the top 5. He was already borderline top 10 before the season started. I'm souring on AJB a bit, as I think part of his problem that isn't really being discussed are those knees, but he's still borderline top 5 for now. I faded him in my dynasty startups this year, because having surgery on both knees after season 2 at the age of 24 didn't make me feel confident about his health moving forward.

I'd probably rank the top 10 in PPR as

JJ
DK
Chase
Reek
Adams
DJM
Lamb
AJB
Diggs
Ridley/Terry

Alright, I cheated and put 11 because I wanted to sneak Terry in lol.

DK/Higgins for Chase/Toney seems pretty fair if you like the rookies more. It just depends on how the other guy feels about the 4 on the whole. The Burrow/Chase stack would be nice! I'd take the Chase side of that, so I'd decline that if I was the Chase owner.

I was able to put together a solid WR group in one of my SF dynasty startups, although at the expense of RB and TE. But I have Chase, Metcalf, Jeudy, Waddle and Pittman. First 5 picks from the 1.05 were Lamar, DK, Trevor, Chase, and Watson. I took Chase as the 10th WR off the board.

Alright, 8 team PPR league debating trying to trade for Cook.

My team:

Lamar, Hurts
CMC, Mixon, Mattison, Moss (although about to drop for a defense)
Ridley, Keenan, Lamb, Hollywood, Higgins
Gronk, Knox

His team:

Herbert, Stafford
Cook, Gibson, CP, Conner
DK, Claypool, Woods, Robby, Boyd, Corey Davis
Andrews

Does Mixon and Lamb get it done?

CEH to IR has to leave a window for Williams to carve out an even bigger role? Andy traditionally has stuck with veterans but not sure CEH has earned that treatment yet.

All right, I completed the trade for Chase. DK, Higgins, Renfrow for Chase, Toney, Firkser, Parham.

My WRs are now Chase, DJM, MWill, Deebo, Toney, ARob, Boyd. How do you think that stacks up with yours, tarheels? :P

Nice trade! Your group beats mine now, but I’m looking forward to 2-3 years.

Ahhhhhhh lol. Nevermind me.

Not much in the way of waiver adds this week.

Booker if you're really hard up for a fill in for a week or two. I luckily made a speculative add on Darrel Williams 30 minutes before games on Sunday but he is already owned in all my other leagues.

In my other league, guy is asking for MWill, Diontae and my mid-1st for Chase. I think that’s too much.

Yahoo is so lame. Gronk has already been ruled out, but he’s still showing as questionable, so I can’t IR him prior to the waiver run.

Whereas you have Sleeper who goes the complete opposite. They allow guys to remain O all the way through the waiver period, even when they will be deemed Q/have a decent shot to play. One of the most underrated features of the platform.

Yeah, probably, but it’s actually pretty reasonable, imo. If you’re in a complete rebuild, I probably do it. If you’re competing, and expect the be competing in the next 2-3 years, I don’t.

Who knows with Mike? He’s playing awesome now but definitely is running above expectation. What happens to Diontae when Big Ben retires (hopefully at the end of this year)? That mid-1st could be anything, but the consensus is the 2022 class is pretty weak for fantasy purposes.

I’m still high on MWill and Diontae. I don’t think MWill is playing above expectation anymore. He’s always been a talented player who flashed. Now he’s got a great QB and an OC who is using him right. I expect he’ll resign with LAC too since they love him and have plenty of money available. Diontae did well even with Rudolph as QB. It’s not like Ben is that good right now. I expect he’ll be just fine.

The pick could be as high as 1.03. I’m 3-2 right now but in 7th as lowest scoring 3-2 team. My sf team is Lance, Fields, Carr, Mills, JaVonte, Carter, Gainwell, Stevenson, Godwin, MWill, Diontae, Waddle, Jeudy, Toney, Aiyuk, Mooney, Gisecki, Freiermuth. And two 1sts in 2022 and 2023. So I’m in this middle ground right now, but in this league if you miss the playoffs, the top two picks are by record but 1.03 goes to winner of consolation bracket. So I’d have a good shot at 1.03 if I miss the playoffs.

Now I have an offer of Chase, Claypool, P Campbell and Parham for my Godwin, MWill, Diontae and Stevenson. If you liked it when I was giving MWill, Diontae and a 1st just for Chase, I assume you like this one tarheels. It does still seem like a lot to give to me.

Would leave me with:
QB: Lance, Fields, Mills, Carr
RB: Javonte, Carter, Gainwell, Singletary
WR: Chase, Claypool, Waddle, Toney, Jeudy, Aiyuk, Mooney, Renfrow, P. Campbell, Cephus
TE: Gisecki, Freiermuth, Irv Smith, J Cook/Parham
Picks: Two 2022 1sts, two 2023 1sts

Definitely wouldn't have to worry about making the playoffs this year.

I don't really view Campbell, Parham or Stevenson as relevant assets, at least not at this point, so you're giving up Godwin, MWill and Diontae for Chase and Claypool. I think it's a blueprint type of trade between a non-contending and a contending team.

It would certainly make your WR outlook great and line up more with your QB's age with Lance and Fields. Your top 6 receivers, and really top 7 if you include Mooney, would all be age 23 and younger.

You're certainly giving up more value today, but Chase is likely to be a top 5 dynasty WR for the next 6-8 years and is aligned perfectly with his QB's age. You can't say the same for any of the guys you're giving up. Additionally, Claypool continues to improve, and I don't really see any way JuJu returns next year. So it should be Claypool and Diontae as the clear top 2 in that offense moving forward. And you also get to keep your 1st to add another young asset.

You can target RBs and TEs in the draft.

Also, I don't like that draft determination structure for 1.03+ for the non-playoff teams. What incentive do you have to compete if you've traded away the pick? You could get creative and add in protection stipulations haha. But that's a lot to track.

So I drafted Allen Robinson at a discount to ADP in PPR. (Think I got him as a late 5th). Been on my bench since week 2, finally just dropped him (for one of this week’s waiver darlings). Feels good, f*ck him taking up valuable bench space.