I wrote that out wrong and my Kittle trade is worse cause it was the 1.08 I got (man that was such a bad trade the more I think of it) so Pickett was the only one that was available of them and would rather just gamble on Moore and Watson being productive on those offences.

itt we learn someone hates treylon burks

Burks has went in the 1.04 in both the rookie drafts I've been in so far.


Sigh the Mahomes trade got turned down. Guess we hold him and see what we can get mid to late season from contenders

wow, was just trying to work out who was still available at 1.07 given you said olave/williams had gone already and thought it had to be burks as opposed to either of the two backs or one of wilson/london

Fair enough on Pickett. He does have a very capped ceiling. Like his best season is probably a low-end QB1 finish of 10-12 but probably mostly finishing 13-20 range. I think Derek Carr type production is his ceiling. Pickett does have weapons around him, at least.

But that’s still pretty valuable in 12 team SF. I wouldn’t want Pickett in 10 team. In 14 or 16 team, which I’d never play haha, Pickett probably should push up into the top 5.

I traded my first last year for Hendo in another league when he was still balling and I needed RB help (actually to 5 South haha), ended up being 1.07, and Burks and Jamo ended up falling there. Hendo got injured and Michel took over shortly after. Feelsbadman.

So I guess JEC’s draft must have gone a combo of Hall, London, Walker, Burks, Jamo and Olave.

So Wilson was available at 1.07? If so, I would have snap called and him and Skyy with those two picks. If it was Walker available, he’s probably the right pick, but I wouldn’t blame a rebuilder for passing on him for upside WRs.

It went Hall - Walker - London - Burks - Wilson - Williams - Olave.

I mis typed and actually got the 1.08 for Kittle so it was either Watson, Moore , Pickett or reach on Pickens

Ahh, I see now. So you had 1.08 and 1.09? That makes more sense. I thought you were saying the Kittle trade was 1.08 and your other trade sending Evans was 1.07.

I'm just not a fan of Watson's profile. Especially with the drops concern. I could see diva Godgers stonewalling him after a few drops. Plus, I could see Aaron snap retiring and just leaving GB hanging, especially if this season or next are rough.

But there is quite a bit of upside, which is what you're looking for on a rebuilder. But I think the floor is ugly for Watson. Safe is boring, especially in the first round, unless you're contending and just need depth.

I definitely think Skyy is at the clear 6th WR on the board. I really want to put Pickens above Watson, but 2022 for Pickens will be rough. And if they re-sign Diontae and if Pickett just completely sucks, Pickens could just be a dud. But the Steelers are good at hitting on receivers.

I also like Metchie.

I'm not sure what to think of Bell or Robinson. Wan'Dale has a solid profile, but his size is a concern. David Bell seems like a trap.

Yeh got the 1.08 and 1.09.

Watson does need to produce early or he could just get relegated to the MVS role which is a big concern. I'm actually higher on him than Moore though but I think thats mainly due to me not wanting to get over excited about him like Hardman just for him to bust.

LOL my Kelce, Elliot, Robinson trade is getting flack from one guy in the group but he's claiming Robinson is still potentially a Low WR1 so I don't think his opinion matters much

Skyy has a nice profile, even if he’s a bit undersized. The Chiefs seem excited to have him. I’m interested to see how it plays out.

And lmao, ARob may have a low-end WR1/high-end WR2 scoring season in him, but his dynasty value is dead. Even if he finishes as a low-end WR1, I can’t see him being ranked any higher than WR3 territory for dynasty value purposes.

Damn man trading Mahomes is hard! So far I've had 3 trades rejected

3x 23 1st + AJ Dillion
2x 23 1st + TLaw + Aiuyk (I added Thomas to this one aswell)
23 1st + 23 3rd + Murray + Andrews (I added Waller to this)

1st 2 aren't contending teams so I get it and the last one Andrews is elite for TE premium.

What kind of deal would you guys be looking for with Mahomes?

For me it's at least 3x 1st and a bit or a young or top 10 QB + a 1st and then young WR/RB that may not be top teir yet but thats the min and that feels lightish.

I'd start to listen if offered Burrow/Herbert, a 2023 1st and then either one valuable RB/WR or another big pick. All depends on when my win now window is

I'm in a 12 team PPR league with insanely high scoring for QBs (6 pptd, 300/400 yard bonus). We can keep 3 players each year and can only keep for 3 years.

Here are my potential keepers:
Josh Allen (kept once)
Joe Mixon (kept once)
Austin Ekeler (kept twice)
Mark Andrews
Ja'Marr Chase

In a vacuum I would keep Allen, Ekeler, and Chase.

But I think I have a better idea (my first pick will be in last quarter of the first round). I need to see who gets the 1st pick, but if they need a keeper, I trade Mixon to them to swap first round picks, and drop Ekeler, keep Andrews, and reset Ekeler's clock picking him first.

Seems correct, yes?

I wouldn't trade Mahomes straight up for picks. I think the best move is to trade him away for another top 8 QB plus picks. Maybe see what you can get on top of somebody like Jackson or Burrow for him

I would keep Andrews over Ekeler. Top end tight ends are really valuable and you can still keep him for 2023 and 2024.

Even with the high scoring for QBs Ekeler may be worth keeping over Allen. Hard for me to get a good idea of exactly how much the scoring affects QB scoring distribution though.

At this point, I’d just hold Mahomes. Now is going to be the toughest time to trade him since scoring points is still 4 months away. Maybe someone like Kyler or Lamar goes down for the season on a contender. You might be able to send Mahomes in a deal for one of them.

Plus, even if that team takes 3-5 years to rebuild, Mahomes should still be an elite 29-32 year old.

Instead, I’d look at moving Tanne and Winston, who should both be starters this year.

In a vacuum, I keep Chase, Andrews (especially if Balt doesn’t really add any other receivers) and Ekeler.

I can see the argument for Josh, especially with the bonuses. Variance says he’s unlikely to be QB1 3 seasons in a row, but he stays healthy, he’s got a good shot.

If you’re able to trade Mixon for the 1st overall pick, that’d be good, but if they know you’re not keeping Mixon wouldn’t they just wait and see who else is available? Seems like they would have a good gauge of what options they’ll have.

Although, I guess if you’re giving up your late first to them to move up, that’s more enticing than just picking from who all is available. Like you said, it depends on their keepers.

I don’t think 6 point passing TD changes things much, as it’s all relative. But those bonuses, depending on how big they are, definitely push more and more weight forwards the top throwing QBs. Although, Josh finished 8th last year in passing yards, had 6 300+ games and no 400+ games.

Your right thats a much better Idea. Right now they're only valued at a mid 2nd so hold them and make moves during the season and then I could possibly keep Mahomes.

Cheers man. I just need to learn to be more patient with this game just enjoy making trades too much

Also 100 yard bonus for rushing and receiving. Had a game where he hit both the 100 yard rushing and 300 yard passing last year.

How is rookie season going for you dynasty players?

I've already made it through 2 drafts.

I really like the top 4 receivers and a few guys in the middle rounds, but that's about it lol.

I do not want Kenneth Walker.

seems like a really awful year to have a late first round pick

Agreed. 1.09 to 1.12 are pretty brutal. That's sometimes Pickett in SF, who I hate but would probably take there, especially in 12 team, but it's mainly a combo of

Skyy - I like him and think he has a decent outlook, but he's probably an early second pick in most years.

Dotson - I think I'm higher on him than most, and his production profile is nice, but there are concerns about transitioning to the NFL. At least he has first round draft capital. It could be a rough rookie year, though, with Wentz.

Watson - I'm avoiding like the plague lol.

Cook - Who wants to burn a first on a guy who will mainly be a pass catching back?

Pickens - I'm torn on him. I know he's got a lot of potential traits, had a strong freshman year, and had some injury issues, but there is just something about him I don't believe in. Pitt drafting him gives him a boost, imo. He will probably have a rough rookie year between the QB play and the guys in front of him, so I almost want to fade him in the draft and then try to buy cheap.

In one of my other leagues, the 1.09 to 1.12 in 2021 was Javonte, Devonta, Mac, and Waddle haha. Devonta is the only one I'd value with the guys going in that range this year.

I have two remaining drafts with the 1.09/1.11 in one and 1.10 in the other, and I'm really hoping some weird **** happens and someone like Olave or Jamo drops. Tom Brady was cut after his fake retirement and is available in the league where I have 1.10, so maybe someone will burn a pick on him before it gets to me. That would be nice.

Why are you so strongly avoiding watson?

Is GB going to run the ball 50 times a game, is watson not going to beat out the corpses of Cobb & watkins or is GB going to bring in odell and he's going to have a monster target share?

Because I'm not concerned with just the 2022 season. With it being dynasty, I'm thinking 1, 3, 5, etc. years out. I don't trust Rodgers to not decide one day he just doesn't want to play anymore and snap retire, and then Watson has Love or some other journeyman/rookie QB throwing him the ball.

GB could also do the sensible thing next season and actually bring in a quality receiver, but I guess that's unlikely.

Not to mention, Watson's production profile is a pretty small sample size, he played against lower competition, he has a terrible drop rate (which Godgers is going to hate), etc. Pretty much, I think he's a landmine and is way more likely to flame out as a fantasy asset. His college stats are mainly based on large chunk plays which are going to be a lot tougher to come by in the NFL, especially for a receiver who isn't exactly polished. Last season he caught 43 balls for 801 yards and 7 TDs in 12 games played. He's also not an early declare and just turned 23.

Watson seems like one of those receivers who showed out at the lol Senior Bowl, showed upper tier athletic measurables at the combine, but ends up not being able to put it on the field because he lacks the ability to be a good NFL player. He could also just end up being a more useful real life football player than fantasy asset.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Doubs had a better season that Watson. Doubs has a much stronger college production profile.

I might grab a share of him just in case, but I'm not going to be excited about it.

All great points. Thanks for sharing.