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08-25-2019 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat
12-man mock, ppr, picking from the 12 spot

1. Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
2. JuJu Smith-Schuster (Pit - WR)
3. Adam Thielen (Min - WR)
4. David Montgomery (Chi - RB)
5. Evan Engram (NYG - TE)
6. Calvin Ridley (Atl - WR)
7. Cam Newton (Car - QB)
8. Austin Ekeler (LAC - RB)
9. Kalen Ballage (Mia - RB)
10. LeSean McCoy (Buf - RB)
11. Tony Pollard (Dal - RB)
12. Geronimo Allison (GB - WR)
13. James Washington (Pit - WR)
14. Dallas (Dal - DEF)
15. Justin Jackson (LAC - RB)

How bad is this? I've always been hawkish on drafting RBs early, but not finding the value picking late, so wanted to try some zero/one RB drafts.

Where am I missing out on RBs?

R1-2 - Gurley was available
R3-4 - Michel, Ingram, and Henry
R5-6 - Sanders, Cohen, Duke


Love your team. Aside from Cam being a ? If healthy or not. Solid squad.
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08-26-2019 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat
12-man mock, ppr, picking from the 12 spot

1. Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
2. JuJu Smith-Schuster (Pit - WR)
3. Adam Thielen (Min - WR)
4. David Montgomery (Chi - RB)
5. Evan Engram (NYG - TE)
6. Calvin Ridley (Atl - WR)
7. Cam Newton (Car - QB)
8. Austin Ekeler (LAC - RB)
9. Kalen Ballage (Mia - RB)
10. LeSean McCoy (Buf - RB)
11. Tony Pollard (Dal - RB)
12. Geronimo Allison (GB - WR)
13. James Washington (Pit - WR)
14. Dallas (Dal - DEF)
15. Justin Jackson (LAC - RB)

How bad is this? I've always been hawkish on drafting RBs early, but not finding the value picking late, so wanted to try some zero/one RB drafts.

Where am I missing out on RBs?

R1-2 - Gurley was available
R3-4 - Michel, Ingram, and Henry
R5-6 - Sanders, Cohen, Duke
The spot was that 5-6 turn. I'm good with Engram there, but I'd take either one of Miles or Duke ahead of Ridley. Also wait longer on QB, there is really no reason to pick one in round 7 unless it's Mahomes or Watson.
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08-26-2019 , 12:07 AM
3 season long drafts in. All 1 pt ppr.

Before luck news:

From 1.05:
QB: Kyler
WR: Evans
WR: TY
WR: Moore
RB: DJ
RB: Jacobs
TE: OJ Howard
Flex: Josh gordon
K: (empry)
DEF: (empty)
BN: Tarik Cohen
BN: Miles sanders
BN: MVS
BN: Penny
BN: Russ Wilson
BN: Pollard
BN: J Jackson
BN: M Davis
BN: J Hill

After luck news:

From 1.01:
QB Big Ben
WR Godwin
WR Fuller
WR Allison
RB Saquon
RB mixon
TE OJ Howard
Flex D will
DEF Bills
K (empty)

BN AJ Green
BN Pettis
BN Darwin
BN MVS
BN Justice Hill
BN Malcolm Brown
BN Mattison

—-

From 1.06:
QB: Baker
WR: Hopkins
WR: Godwin
WR: Curtis Samuel
RB: D will
RB: Ingram
TE: Kelce
Flex: Duke J Jr
DEF: Eagles
K: Zuerlein
BN: Breida
BN: Ballage
BN: Pettis
BN: Boykin
BN: Anthony Miller
BN: Henderson


Favorite team?
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08-26-2019 , 12:22 AM
3 > 2 >> 1

Hopefully 12+ teams


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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
3 season long drafts in. All 1 pt ppr.

Before luck news:

From 1.05:
QB: Kyler
WR: Evans
WR: TY
WR: Moore
RB: DJ
RB: Jacobs
TE: OJ Howard
Flex: Josh gordon
K: (empry)
DEF: (empty)
BN: Tarik Cohen
BN: Miles sanders
BN: MVS
BN: Penny
BN: Russ Wilson
BN: Pollard
BN: J Jackson
BN: M Davis
BN: J Hill

After luck news:

From 1.01:
QB Big Ben
WR Godwin
WR Fuller
WR Allison
RB Saquon
RB mixon
TE OJ Howard
Flex D will
DEF Bills
K (empty)

BN AJ Green
BN Pettis
BN Darwin
BN MVS
BN Justice Hill
BN Malcolm Brown
BN Mattison

—-

From 1.06:
QB: Baker
WR: Hopkins
WR: Godwin
WR: Curtis Samuel
RB: D will
RB: Ingram
TE: Kelce
Flex: Duke J Jr
DEF: Eagles
K: Zuerlein
BN: Breida
BN: Ballage
BN: Pettis
BN: Boykin
BN: Anthony Miller
BN: Henderson


Favorite team?
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08-26-2019 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheatsauce
The spot was that 5-6 turn. I'm good with Engram there, but I'd take either one of Miles or Duke ahead of Ridley. Also wait longer on QB, there is really no reason to pick one in round 7 unless it's Mahomes or Watson.
Thanks!

If I waited on QB, I would've had Jameis in R9/10. Didn't think I reached too much on Cam because I hated everyone else available except Miles.

I didn't consider Duke because isn't he just gonna be a receiving back in a timeshare? Or is he gonna actually be used like a Kamara type of all-around back?

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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Love your team. Aside from Cam being a ? If healthy or not. Solid squad.
Thanks!
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08-26-2019 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat
Thanks!

If I waited on QB, I would've had Jameis in R9/10. Didn't think I reached too much on Cam because I hated everyone else available except Miles.

I didn't consider Duke because isn't he just gonna be a receiving back in a timeshare? Or is he gonna actually be used like a Kamara type of all-around back?
We don't know how he is gonna be used for sure of course, and the Texans could very well add a back after cuts, but gathering from what we do know right now it certainly seems like he is by far the most capable guy to carry the load for that offense. He was utilized as a 3rd down back/receiver in Cleveland, but in college he was a stud, bellcow type back, and he's of similar size to a guy like Aaron Jones or the aforementioned Miles Sanders, we're not talking about a Tarik Cohen-type here or anything.

I don't see any reason he can't do everything that Miller did on the ground, perhaps better, while also being a clearly better receiver out of the backfield for what should be a pretty potent offense. And even if they pick up another back, he'll still be utilized a bunch in the passing game while getting a good chunk of carries. So he has a reasonable floor to go along with a pretty solid ceiling. In the 6th round, that seems like a buy to me.
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08-26-2019 , 03:12 AM
Texans will for sure bring in another RB but I hope they give Duke a chance at full-time. Guy can shift into the slot at anytime. Could be a real nice weapon.
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08-26-2019 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat

*Gordon prop bet*

Why 100 and not just more than DJ?
The discussion wasn't on DJ particularly, it was on projections for gordon in a vaccuum, he said gordon would have gotten 1850 yards, also felt gordon has a soft schedule, i disagreed. In hidsight, 125 is probably a little too high because that's 2k not 1850 but then again my 100 is very low as well and a pretty extreme position. Most likely he doesn't play and gets about 110 all purpose yards in the handful of games he does play and it's a wash.

I'm not sure why you really care about our huge $1 bet but if you want to do a separate bet of Gordon vs DJ as that seems more to your liking, I'll happily take that action on the DJ side of things.

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Originally Posted by D-Beat

*Goff isn't terrible*

Really? Why?
I don't have to defend why Goff is a fine QB to own as the 12th one off the board. Even the more standard takes on him have him comfortably in the top 12.

I have him 5th post Luck and the average Fantasy Pro projection guy has his at 11th. It's most likely they haven't updated for Luck yet so really 10th.


*I know these are my best ball rankings but I haven't run my model yet for standard leagues but I doubt there would be much change at the QB position, at least not in the top 10 or so

I also think they are wrong in their rankings. Goff was 6th best QB last year based on standard scoring and that's with Andrew Luck in the mix. In 2017 he was 12th but if he played all 16 games he could have easily finished as high as 5th because 5th-12th all within a dozen points of each other.

With the team obviously forced to move away from a Gurley centric offense this year and having a healthy and all returning receiving corps, expecting anything less than another top 10 finish is insane. I admit, if I'm that far ahead of others, I probably project him too high at QB5, but there can not be any sane argument for having him at QB12 and not thinking that's good value there.

I'm deeply curious why you think Goff at QB12 is not value, I never once thoguht that could possibly be construed as a hot take.

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08-26-2019 , 06:56 AM
.5 PPR 12 team. Not really happy with the draft (but Yahoo gave it an A+!)
1. (12) Travis Kelce (KC - TE)
2. (13) Michael Thomas (NO - WR)
3. (36) Melvin Gordon III (LAC - RB)
4. (37) Derrick Henry (Ten - RB)
5. (60) Phillip Lindsay (Den - RB)
6. (61) D.J. Moore (Car - WR)
7. (84) Austin Ekeler (LAC - RB)
8. (85) Christian Kirk (Ari - WR)
9. (108) Dante Pettis (SF - WR)
10. (109) Rashaad Penny (Sea - RB)
11. (132) Courtland Sutton (Den - WR)
12. (133) Michael Gallup (Dal - WR)
13. (156) Josh Allen (Buf - QB)
14. (157) Denver (Den - DEF)
15. (180) Justice Hill (Bal - RB)

QBs were going pretty early (Mahomes went #22) and guys were all doubling up before I took Allen. I'm a little disappointed in myself because my team is leaning boom/bust, yet I went with high floor guys at 12/13. Available there were: OBJ, Cook, Mixon, JuJu, and Tyreek. I don't think I was going to pass on Kelce but I think that given my team as is I should have taken OBJ and maybe even Cook to go full boom/bust. Also reached a little with Ekeler but given draft position felt I had to grab him there. Thoughts?
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08-26-2019 , 07:13 AM
1st 2 picks are elite, eckler fell to you in the 7th, not a reach at all imo.
Looks like you kind of panicked on RB after starting TE/WR.
Curious to know who was there at the 3/4 turn.
If eckler performs or Gordon comes back early then you'll be ok. I'm not crazy about any of your other receivers except for Gallup but that's just me and I'm always wrong.
Hill was a steal in the last round.
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08-26-2019 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Curious to know who was there at the 3/4 turn.
Cooper
Mack
Jacobs
Cooks
Montgomery
Carson
Golladay
Kupp
Lockett
Boyd
Michel

Some of the rankings/projections I'm leaning on are quite high on Henry but in hindsight it's meh with what was available.
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08-26-2019 , 07:47 AM
Picks 3-5 are a disaster. If you went Carson / Jacobs and then best WR available I’d like it a lot more.

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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
.5 PPR 12 team. Not really happy with the draft (but Yahoo gave it an A+!)
1. (12) Travis Kelce (KC - TE)
2. (13) Michael Thomas (NO - WR)
3. (36) Melvin Gordon III (LAC - RB)
4. (37) Derrick Henry (Ten - RB)
5. (60) Phillip Lindsay (Den - RB)
6. (61) D.J. Moore (Car - WR)
7. (84) Austin Ekeler (LAC - RB)
8. (85) Christian Kirk (Ari - WR)
9. (108) Dante Pettis (SF - WR)
10. (109) Rashaad Penny (Sea - RB)
11. (132) Courtland Sutton (Den - WR)
12. (133) Michael Gallup (Dal - WR)
13. (156) Josh Allen (Buf - QB)
14. (157) Denver (Den - DEF)
15. (180) Justice Hill (Bal - RB)

QBs were going pretty early (Mahomes went #22) and guys were all doubling up before I took Allen. I'm a little disappointed in myself because my team is leaning boom/bust, yet I went with high floor guys at 12/13. Available there were: OBJ, Cook, Mixon, JuJu, and Tyreek. I don't think I was going to pass on Kelce but I think that given my team as is I should have taken OBJ and maybe even Cook to go full boom/bust. Also reached a little with Ekeler but given draft position felt I had to grab him there. Thoughts?
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08-26-2019 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
3 > 2 >> 1

Hopefully 12+ teams
Ya all 12 teamers
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08-26-2019 , 09:37 AM
That reminds me of my team. I went Hopkins/Kelce and by the time I picked again all the stud RBs were gone. It's basically roll with Henry and hope they get him involved in the passing game and he remains top 3 YAC. I didn't gamble on Gordon, he comes back you're laughing.
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08-26-2019 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
.5 PPR 12 team. Not really happy with the draft (but Yahoo gave it an A+!)
1. (12) Travis Kelce (KC - TE)
2. (13) Michael Thomas (NO - WR)
3. (36) Melvin Gordon III (LAC - RB)
4. (37) Derrick Henry (Ten - RB)
5. (60) Phillip Lindsay (Den - RB)
6. (61) D.J. Moore (Car - WR)
7. (84) Austin Ekeler (LAC - RB)
8. (85) Christian Kirk (Ari - WR)
9. (108) Dante Pettis (SF - WR)
10. (109) Rashaad Penny (Sea - RB)
11. (132) Courtland Sutton (Den - WR)
12. (133) Michael Gallup (Dal - WR)
13. (156) Josh Allen (Buf - QB)
14. (157) Denver (Den - DEF)
15. (180) Justice Hill (Bal - RB)

QBs were going pretty early (Mahomes went #22) and guys were all doubling up before I took Allen. I'm a little disappointed in myself because my team is leaning boom/bust, yet I went with high floor guys at 12/13. Available there were: OBJ, Cook, Mixon, JuJu, and Tyreek. I don't think I was going to pass on Kelce but I think that given my team as is I should have taken OBJ and maybe even Cook to go full boom/bust. Also reached a little with Ekeler but given draft position felt I had to grab him there. Thoughts?
  • rounds 1-2 went perfectly, love locking up an elite TE
  • I think gordon was a reach, he's definitely missing time even if he signs a contract tomorrow
  • next few picks are fine but then you definitely reached starting at round 6-8
  • if you believe in gordon enough to take in the 3rd, you don't then take his handcuff in the 7th - don't pussy foot around handcuffing before your starting lineup even set - this is why you shouldn't have taken gordon
  • example that penny is available 3 rounds later
  • why did you wait so long at QB? You were deep into your bench of bye week replacements before you took the position that will produce the most points for you - i like Allen, but you're very likely needing a huge boost from him not to finish the year with one of the worst QB1s of the 12 teams - I he's not QB12 material
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08-26-2019 , 10:34 AM
Had our keeper league draft done on Friday before the Lamar Miller and Andrew Luck news dropped.

How do you think teams did. League rules

1 QB this year, going to go to two QBs after this year, but can only keep one QB per year max every year.

2) QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, K, D/ST rest bench (additional superflex so essentially 2QB coming next year

3) You can keep up to 3 players the following year at X-2 rounds you drafted them last year. A guy drafted in the third round can be kept for your 1st rounder this year. Obv this means mostly its later round players who are kept, and keeps the fish interested knowing that studs are always back on the board next year. Maximum of 3 keeps per player before they are back in the pool (so Kamara will be a free agent again in 2021, Mahomes 2022).

Thoughts? Who did well, who messed up


Last edited by ashley12; 08-26-2019 at 10:35 AM. Reason: Tucker should be in pink for kickers
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08-26-2019 , 12:22 PM
Too late to edit but half point ppr as well

Since the reaction to the post is about as popular as nuking a hurricane

Spoiler:
My team is the Mahomes/Michael Thomas team
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08-26-2019 , 12:33 PM
You don't want a good grade from Yahoo. That just means you followed their ADP/rank the entire way and also drafted a backup QB and TE. I did a draft yesterday and was happy to see I ranked 12 of 12.
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08-26-2019 , 12:51 PM
This is a keeper league and is going to 2 QB next year, and not a single QB drafted before rd9? That whole draft looks really weird to me
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08-26-2019 , 12:52 PM
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You don't want a good grade from Yahoo. That just means you followed their ADP/rank the entire way and also drafted a backup QB and TE. I did a draft yesterday and was happy to see I ranked 12 of 12.
Exactly. I was ranked last in my Yahoo league last year and won the championship. The guy who ranked first had McKinnon (we drafted before the ACL tear) and Bell lol.
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08-26-2019 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
  • why did you wait so long at QB? You were deep into your bench of bye week replacements before you took the position that will produce the most points for you - i like Allen, but you're very likely needing a huge boost from him not to finish the year with one of the worst QB1s of the 12 teams - I he's not QB12 material



Meh, getting a top 12 qb is fairly irrelevant. Streaming QBs well gets you qb6-7ish value so just wait as long as possible, draft for upside, and if it doesn’t work out, then stream it up.

Totally agree on your handcuffing point though. No team should be drafting Gordon or Zeke early and then drafting Ekeler or Pollard. Either you believe in those guys or you don’t. Take a stand, play to win. Opposite is true as well, if you don’t believe in Gordon/Zeke and are scared of picking them, then you should be prioritizing Ekeler/Pollard.
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08-26-2019 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
Too late to edit but half point ppr as well

Since the reaction to the post is about as popular as nuking a hurricane

Spoiler:
My team is the Mahomes/Michael Thomas team
At least on mobile... Reading that chart is AIDs

I wouldn't prioritize youth because with only 3 keepers you have very limited options anyway

I think a lot of your picks were reaches, most of them have guys I like more who went a few picks afterwards but it's close enough to not really matter and I could very well be the one who is doing the reaching

I really like the McCaffrey team but a very wide margin, then the cook team then yours but there's not one team I like fully, which is a great indication you have a very solid group of people to draft with and a competitive league
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08-26-2019 , 03:10 PM
12 team "keeper*" league 1.25 PPR Return yards/TDs count. Start QB/2RB/3WR/TE/flex/D/K

*Each team MUST keep QB/RB/WR/TE/flex this year. Draft starts after these top 60 or so players are kept. Draft picks get traded.

My team:

Mahomes
Reek
Keenan
Zeke
Henry

I have 8th/20th/23rd picks.

I'm tempted to go RB/RB/RB given Zeke issues.

The Yahoo ADP and their season-long projections are way out of sync. (They hate Carson for example)

Also, 4/5 keepers are on bye week 12. Do I just concede the week and be happy to draft other chiefs/chargers/vikings/cards if their ADP makes sense?


Thoughts?
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08-26-2019 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wheatsauce
Meh, getting a top 12 qb is fairly irrelevant. Streaming QBs well gets you qb6-7ish value so just wait as long as possible, draft for upside, and if it doesn’t work out, then stream it up.

Totally agree on your handcuffing point though. No team should be drafting Gordon or Zeke early and then drafting Ekeler or Pollard. Either you believe in those guys or you don’t. Take a stand, play to win. Opposite is true as well, if you don’t believe in Gordon/Zeke and are scared of picking them, then you should be prioritizing Ekeler/Pollard.
So you're telling me that if I didn't like Zeke there is no point at which I should take him? What if he's sitting there late in the 2nd round of a 12 team redraft? I also don't understand why I wouldn't also lock up an attractive backfield by taking Pollard if he was sitting there in like the last round? What harm is there in a little insurance in case Zeke goes full LeVeon? Were people wrong for doing the same thing with LeVeon and Conner last year?
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08-26-2019 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
So you're telling me that if I didn't like Zeke there is no point at which I should take him? What if he's sitting there late in the 2nd round of a 12 team redraft? I also don't understand why I wouldn't also lock up an attractive backfield by taking Pollard if he was sitting there in like the last round? What harm is there in a little insurance in case Zeke goes full LeVeon? Were people wrong for doing the same thing with LeVeon and Conner last year?


Nah that’s why I said “early”. You should only take Zeke at 5 or wherever he’s actually going if you are confident he is gonna be back. If you are not confident he’ll be back then pick someone else at 5 and take Pollard. If he falls to the 6th round or something, or Pollard is there in the 12th or something then sure that changes things of course, but then you’re also playing in a league that should be pretty easy to crush regardless.

And yes people were obviously wrong whether you take a process or results oriented view. They should’ve taken someone else instead of Le’Veon and then taken Conner. Lol insurance.
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