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Old 06-13-2020, 06:58 PM   #3726
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Totally agree though wheat if Singletary is super successful with that weak of an athletic profile he is an anomaly. Small and slow RB normally fail pretty spectacularly in the NFL. Buffalo said their scouts saw something special. I disagreed with those scouts before and after the draft. I was wrong.

When you watch Singletary he sets up his blocks perfectly and never picks the wrong path. He seems to be much faster at figuring out which way to take the play than the defense. Imo that's how he gets away with being less explosive than me. Lol
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Old 06-13-2020, 07:05 PM   #3727
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The Bills play my sad Jets, the LOLphins, and Brady-less Pats twice each.

Can't be that tough a schedule.
Yeah, teams that set up their D's to stop the run typically suck, like your Jets and my Giants

Also Buffalo's home game vs Miami is week 17, so they miss out on that one unfortunately.


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I agree but I've seen enough. The guy is a magician.
I trust your eye-test more than most, so I wouldn't be shocked if he outperforms my expectations. I'll be the sucker downplaying injury risks as usual and drafting James Conner over him
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Old 06-13-2020, 07:23 PM   #3728
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Yeah, teams that set up their D's to stop the run typically suck, like your Jets and my Giants

Also Buffalo's home game vs Miami is week 17, so they miss out on that one unfortunately.




I trust your eye-test more than most, so I wouldn't be shocked if he outperforms my expectations. I'll be the sucker downplaying injury risks as usual and drafting James Conner over him
I like Conner this year too. Tomlin loves him and has been generous with his RB1 workloads in the past. Conner could easily outperform his ADP and finish as a top 10 RB this year.
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Old 06-13-2020, 08:12 PM   #3729
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Preston Williams is a big question mark for me in dynasty. He was pretty clearly the best WR on the team when he blew his knee out.

He was on pace for a great rookie year and he was getting stronger as the year went on. I can't emphasize this more. This is unheard of for a UDFA. It just doesn't happen.

If he doesnt get hurt he was on pace for a 64-856-6 season as an UDFA. What would you pay for that? Still have to deduct value for the injury but he seems undervalued in dynasty. How he comes back from that injury is anybody's guess.


His last half of football he had 9 targets for 5-72-2 line. Hope he gets healthy.
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Old 06-14-2020, 01:43 PM   #3730
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All I know is I traded Linsday after that rookie year at max value, and it was a flawless move. Singletary just felt a whole lot like Lindsay to me.
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Old 06-14-2020, 03:21 PM   #3731
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All I know is I traded Linsday after that rookie year at max value, and it was a flawless move. Singletary just felt a whole lot like Lindsay to me.
Yeah I traded TY and Thielen in our league like that. Lije both of them this year. Linsday is undervalued this year too imo.

The difference I see in Singletary and Linsday is Singletary was surging at the end of last year. His last game in the playoffs was yummy.

Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe Moss comes in with no training camp and forces a 50/50 split but I'm not seeing it. Get all his QB protections right. Know all the plays.......
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Old 06-15-2020, 03:27 PM   #3732
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I think no training camp and the COVID situation, plus no other viable RBs on the roster outside of Moss, gives Singletary a strong nod. Especially to start the season. Under normal circumstances, Moss may be more of a concern. But this will not be a normal season by any means.

Regardless, there really aren't many RBs where you're like, yeah, this guy will be a RB1 no doubt. I have concerns about most of the RBs. RBBC is the way to go these days. There aren't many 3 down workhorses.

Also, I think we've hashed out the top 20 or so RBs enough. Time to move on to the WRs...
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:06 PM   #3733
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at WR there are a few studs that separate themselves and then massive tiers of guys that are so similar imo.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:09 PM   #3734
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Yup, you're right about that. I'll be interested to see what you guys think about my rankings. I've decided to put the TLDR list first, and then my detailed analysis second.

MT
Reek
Adams
Hopkins
Julio
Golladay
Kupp
JuJu
T.Y.
OBD
Thielen
Godwin
Evans
A.J. Brown
D.J. Moore
Diggs
Cooper
Cooks
Woods
Deebo
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:10 PM   #3735
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Alright, top 20 WR rankings PPR. Also in case it wasn't clear, these are all re-draft rankings with regard to the 2020 season. Same with my RB rankings. Obviously, dynasty changes things. Let's go!

MT - Man, I was a believer, but I wasn't a BELIEVER until this past season. I don't think there is any way I can't rank him at 1. It's hard to see how he gets any better, and he might regress a little bit, but I still think his floor is his 2018 season which was damn good. I still have big regrets in drafting JuJu over MT last year.

Reek - I'm in love. Burn me for having him at 2, but he just gets it done.

Adams - He started slow last year, and injuries brought him down a bit, but he's Rodgers's guy. If he's on the field, he will be top 5 in fantasy.

Hopkins - He will be used in Ari, and I love Nuk. But there are always question marks when moving to a new system, new QB, new everything, etc. Hopkins is good enough that he should smooth it over, and I know some here love Kyler (cough, wolves, cough), but he's still a second year QB. Hop will be the clear WR1, but there are other worthy WRs in Larry, Kirk, etc. How will Hop fit in? How long will it take? Fortunately, he's moving to a pass heavy system, so he should have plenty of opportunity. He's definitely worth the risk.

Julio - Not much to say other than the fact that he performs consistently. He's gone for at least 1,394 yards in 6 straight seasons. His TD production will always be a concern, though. 100 catches seems like a nice o/u.

Golladay - I may be a little high on him here, but I really love his game. If Stafford can stay on the field, he has a chance to be elite. 7.75 targets, 4.4 catches, 80 yards, and 7 total TDs were his splits in the 8 games with Stafford. That's a 17.65 average in PPR. He had 4 100+ yard games with Stafford and only 1 after Stafford went down.

Kupp - He's Mr. reliable for Goff. 100 catches, 1,200 yards, and 10 TDs seems like a solid o/u.

JuJu - Big time rebound year incoming! Big Ben for the win. If Big Ben can stay on the field, JuJu is going big time.

T.Y. - Flame away, but with Rivers coming to town, T.Y.'s value has taken a massive jump. He is the clear #1 on that team.

ODB - Year 2 in Clev is going to go much better. Bank on it.

Thielen - The loss of Diggs will actually help, and Kirk already loves Thielen.

Godwin - I guess I'll put him here. I have big concerns about the implementation of 42 year old Brady and the whole situation surrounding them. He could boom or he could just be average.

Evans - Him and Godwin are about the same. They both have the talent, but there is only one ball to go around coming from a 42 year old QB playing in a completely new system for the first time in his whole career. Mr. reliable for Brady, Gronk, coming to town doesn't help.

A.J. Brown - Give me that year 2 leap, boys!

D.J. - I have serious concerns about his fantasy viability, but he had a damn good season last year catching from Kyle Allen and Will Grier. Teddy is better than those guys, but what will the offense look like? How will Rhule adjust to the NFL? The Panthers should be losing a lot, so D.J. will have opportunity, but I just don't like the situation.

Diggs - I think he becomes the #1 receiver, even with John Brown still on the squad. Brown should benefit from Diggs and vice versa. This team will be fun to watch, and Allen throws the long ball well. Diggs is going to add a completely new dimension to this team.

Cooper - He had some weird games last year, and faded as the season progressed. I think Gallup will take away some of his opportunities, as will Lamb. But Cooper should still have a nice season. Dak wants that money, after all! He has to throw to someone.

Cooks - I really like what he may be able to do this year. He's kind of been forgotten about, but someone has to fill all that was lost with Hopkins. Cooks certainly isn't as good as Hopkins, but I think Cooks could have his best pro season if he stays healthy. He's certainly better than Fuller (who stays injured), Stills, Cobb, Keke, etc.

Woods - I try to make the top 20 as much about #1 WRs, but with the loss of Cooks and Gurley, Woods should have a nice season. Kupp is still Goff's favorite, though.

Deebo - I like his chances at the #1 WR spot, and Jimmy G likes him. He should make a nice leap in year 2.

Other guys I like:

McLaurin, Hollywood (opportunity is the only concern), Kirk, John Brown, Shepard/Slayton (someone has to become the #1), Perriman (I think he's better than Crowder, and Darnold may like the new guy coming to town), Metcalf.

Other guys I hate:

Keenan, Sutton, Ridley, Parker, AJ Green, and Edelman.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:24 PM   #3736
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I'll do mine in tiers with rankings within the tiers...

Tier 1:
Michael Thomas
Davante Adams

Tier 2:
Tyreek Hill
Julio Jones
Deandre Hopkins
Chris Godwin

Tier 3:
Kenny Golladay
Mike Evans
Adam Thielen
Amari Cooper
Allen Robinson
Juju Smith-Schuster
Odell Beckham
DJ Moore
Calvin Ridley

And then the next tier is kind of a mess..these aren't in order but this is who I would include:

Tier 4
AJ Brown
Tyler Lockett
Cooper Kupp
TY Hilton
Terry McLaurin
DK Metcalf
Robert Woods
DJ Chark
Courtland Sutton
Keenan Allen
Stefon Diggs

and then there is still ANOTHER huge tier after that with solid guys I like:

Parker, Deebo, Landry, Gallup, Fuller, Hollywood, Boyd etc etc.

WR so deep this year
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:40 PM   #3737
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WR is definitely deep. I plan to crush RB early and set myself up there, and then fill in with WRs later.
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Old 06-15-2020, 05:30 PM   #3738
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WR is super deep. Last years rookie class was really good and this year is great too. With the WR market flooded like it is it brings their positional value down a bit. The NFL in general is being flooded with talent. They would be wise to add a couple teams.
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Old 06-15-2020, 07:20 PM   #3739
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Yup, you're right about that. I'll be interested to see what you guys think about my rankings. I've decided to put the TLDR list first, and then my detailed analysis second.

MT
Reek
Adams
Hopkins
Julio
Golladay
Kupp
JuJu
T.Y.
OBD
Thielen
Godwin
Evans
A.J. Brown
D.J. Moore
Diggs
Cooper
Cooks
Woods
Deebo

On first glance seems too high on Kupp and TY, and way low on McLaurin and Chark. But like others have said the tiers are so wide this year that itís hard to fault people that much for just getting their guys. Like I have ODB and JuJu at WR6/7 right now, but if someone wants to put guys like AJ Brown or DJ Moore ahead of them, Iím not gonna argue much.
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Old 06-15-2020, 07:32 PM   #3740
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I’m down on Haskins more than McLaurin, and I wouldn’t fault someone for pushing him towards the top 15. I’m just not a big enough believer in Haskins. Maybe he makes a big leap this year.

I forgot to add Chark under the others I like, but I think he’s right around the end of the top 20-25.

Why do you think I’m too high on Kupp? I think last year is closer to his floor (assuming good health, of course) than his ceiling.

I can understand your feelings about T.Y. but I think we have a chance to see 2014-2016 and 2018 T.Y. with Rivers under center. His seasons with Luck were pretty damn good, and I don’t see why Rivers can’t get him back there. He’s going to get all of the work he can handle. That backfield should open things up. The second best returning WR on the squad is Pascal. Rookie Pittman Jr has a solid chance at ending the season as WR2 on the Colts.

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Old 06-15-2020, 07:37 PM   #3741
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No one had any thoughts on Cooks?
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Old 06-15-2020, 07:42 PM   #3742
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I also meant to add Robinson under those I hate. Do not want anyone from Chicago lol.
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Old 06-15-2020, 07:49 PM   #3743
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Cooks is a good value pick. Both him and fuller are similar - risky but very high upside. Guys I target a bunch in best ball and occasionally in season long.

I love Arob - he is a beast and never has a good QB. Foles will be much better than who he’s played with in the past.
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I’m down on Haskins more than McLaurin, and I wouldn’t fault someone for pushing him towards the top 15. I’m just not a big enough believer in Haskins. Maybe he makes a big leap this year.

I forgot to add Chark under the others I like, but I think he’s right around the end of the top 20-25.

Why do you think I’m too high on Kupp? I think last year is closer to his floor (assuming good health, of course) than his ceiling.

I can understand your feelings about T.Y. but I think we have a chance to see 2014-2016 and 2018 T.Y. with Rivers under center. His seasons with Luck were pretty damn good, and I don’t see why Rivers can’t get him back there. He’s going to get all of the work he can handle. That backfield should open things up. The second best returning WR on the squad is Pascal. Rookie Pittman Jr has a solid chance at ending the season as WR2 on the Colts.
I'm not high on Haskins either, but I don't think he has to make a big jump for McLaurin to be a top 20 guy. He's gonna drown in targets and his separation is elite. Plus Redskins should be terrible, so lots of good game scripts for him. Similar stuff with Chark, don't think he is on McLaurin's level skill-wise, but Minshew is prob better than Haskins, and should be game script city with very little competition for targets.

Kupp started out on fire last season, then faded a bunch down the stretch when LA changed their O from primarily 11 to 12 personnel, not sure he can excel outside of the slot if that continues, and don't see why they would change back with Cooks gone. And yeah, I factor injury history in less than most, but he certainly carries some amount of risk there.

TY is kinda the anti-Chark. More talented, but the Colts team should be solid and reliant mostly on their D and run game. Also I think they have a decent amount of targets, especially given Rivers love for TE's (Doyle seems underrated to me), dumpoffs to RB's, and guys like Pittman and Campbell who could surprise some people imo. Also some chance Rivers is just toast at this point, and I don't think he's ever had much success with a guy that profiles like TY. Building that rapport with a limited offseason might be problematic as well.

Not too sure what to make of the Texans passing game, but given how high Watson is going, I do think that at least one of Cooks/Fuller should be going higher...I'm just not sure which one.
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I love Arob - he is a beast and never has a good QB. Foles will be much better than who heís played with in the past.
Yeah I don't know what's not to like with A-Rob he's staring at another top 10 season.
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Chark is pretty undervalued but his success is largely tied to Minshew. If you think Minshew is not going to be at least a top 14ish QB there's little chance Chark can break into the top 10. Minshew does have a nice connection with Chark and he has the athletic profile I go after. He's a top 10 WR in dynasty for me but I'm a Minshew believer.
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Brandon Brooks tore his Achilles today. That's not good for Philly's OL.
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I'm not high on Haskins either, but I don't think he has to make a big jump for McLaurin to be a top 20 guy. He's gonna drown in targets and his separation is elite. Plus Redskins should be terrible, so lots of good game scripts for him. Similar stuff with Chark, don't think he is on McLaurin's level skill-wise, but Minshew is prob better than Haskins, and should be game script city with very little competition for targets.

Kupp started out on fire last season, then faded a bunch down the stretch when LA changed their O from primarily 11 to 12 personnel, not sure he can excel outside of the slot if that continues, and don't see why they would change back with Cooks gone. And yeah, I factor injury history in less than most, but he certainly carries some amount of risk there.

TY is kinda the anti-Chark. More talented, but the Colts team should be solid and reliant mostly on their D and run game. Also I think they have a decent amount of targets, especially given Rivers love for TE's (Doyle seems underrated to me), dumpoffs to RB's, and guys like Pittman and Campbell who could surprise some people imo. Also some chance Rivers is just toast at this point, and I don't think he's ever had much success with a guy that profiles like TY. Building that rapport with a limited offseason might be problematic as well.

Not too sure what to make of the Texans passing game, but given how high Watson is going, I do think that at least one of Cooks/Fuller should be going higher...I'm just not sure which one.
Thanks for the thoughts. I won’t disagree on McLaurin and Chark having the potential, and whether I target them will depend on their ADPs. It’s tough to factor ADP into rankings at this point, and I honestly haven’t really looked at ADP to this point since the sample is still relatively small. I think McLaurin will be more value at his ADP than Chark at his ADP.

I’m not sure I’d agree that Kupp faded a bunch down the stretch. He caught a TD in each of the last 5 games. Sure, he was never going to keep pace over those first 5 games, he still produced solidly. I still think he’s a top 10 fantasy WR. He also had a solid catch percentage at 70%.

Fair enough on T.Y. Rivers could be toast. Mack, Hines and Taylor could dominate along with Doyle, etc. But I also think he has potential to go 80, 1,200 and 8.
Good point on the limited offseason, though. This might have to be a relatively big factor with guys on new teams.

Which takes me to Fuller and Cooks. In theory, Fuller probably has a leg up on Cooks all things being equal. But I’d much rather have Cooks, who has only missed 2 games over the last 5 seasons. Fuller has gone 14, 10, 7, and 11 in his four seasons.

Regarding ARob, I think that Bears offense is a mess. Foles isn’t even the guaranteed starter over Mitch, and that’s saying something lol. And I’d just rather stay away. Probably a leak, but given his expected ADP, there will be other guys there I’d rather have.
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Old 06-15-2020, 09:07 PM   #3749
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It’s fun to talk about fantasy again. Bring on the disagreements. Make me a fantasy king this year! I need ships.
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alright you animals, I made the 2020 thread because nobody else would. Enjoy~

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...thread-1772306
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