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Old 12-24-2019, 06:54 PM   #3576
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Kenyan Drake too, warrants mention

No reason to think he isnt the man in Arizona, or does he not have a contract?
He doesn’t yet. Is DJ gonna get traded or is he just broken? Unreal number of healthy scratches to end the season.

Boone was fine but depended on your situation. He was high risk, high reward. If you needed some low risk player, you should have went in a different direction. I played him in one league, didn’t work out but probably wouldn’t have won anyways.
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Old 12-24-2019, 06:58 PM   #3577
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Favourite part of the year, projecting next season.

CMC obvious clear #1. I think top tier remains same, I don't think I put anyone above Saquon/Kamara/Zeke.

Mid to late first round seems like a nice spot, you get whatever you like from Chubb/AJones/Henry/Cook. Second-Third rounds is a mix of Mixon/Fournette/Jacobs/Carson/Gurley/Lindsay/Mack/Mostert. Remains to be seen where Hunt, Ekeler, etc. land and shake things up.
Also Sanders, Bell, Gordon, Conner. And should be interesting to see what RB HOU pick up, and if KC pick up an actual RB too.
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Old 12-24-2019, 07:26 PM   #3578
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Also Sanders, Bell, Gordon, Conner. And should be interesting to see what RB HOU pick up, and if KC pick up an actual RB too.
Yeah these guys are all third tier. I loved Bell preseason this year and couldn't land him, and it was a good thing I didn't.

All the PIT guys were huge busts, Conner might be like DJ, too fragile. Big Rape out really submarined all those guys.
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Old 12-24-2019, 07:30 PM   #3579
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Yeah selling all Steelers players till Ben returns with full health. Saints didn’t have a huge drop off without brees, but jfc the Steelers were awful other than a few weeks of Connor mid season.

Juju finished 61st at wr in 0.5 ppr, theilen 58th...ouch. Didn’t have either in all of my leagues.
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:10 PM   #3580
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Whoops, didn't even gloss over QB.

Lamar will be overdrafted just like Mahomes this year. lol if you spend a pick in the first 4-6 rounds on guys like Dak. Baker was a huge bust.

Allen was nice value this year but him and Kyler will be drafted too high for my liking. I'd like to own Kyler though, should project nicely in year 2. Gotta assume Mahomes is still drafted top 3 but could be nice value.

End of the day the play is almost always just grab one of the up and comers by round 8-10 and win your league. I like Newton, Goff or Danny Jones as dart throws.
I generally agree about QB. But Lamar is different. The only concern with Lamar is injury. And it’s legit, but he doesn’t have any extra injury risk than other football players. Especially an RB who gets hit more. Nor has he shown injury issues up to this point.

I’d say he’s 5-7 point average above QB2 and 9-11 point average above the average QB. Say QB 10-15. That’s pretty big VORP. This year was not a fluke.

His only regression concern is injury.

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Old 12-24-2019, 11:12 PM   #3581
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Yeah selling all Steelers players till Ben returns with full health. Saints didnít have a huge drop off without brees, but jfc the Steelers were awful other than a few weeks of Connor mid season.

Juju finished 61st at wr in 0.5 ppr, theilen 58th...ouch. Didnít have either in all of my leagues.
Yeah, that hurts. But anyone who gets injured/has their QB go down is going to fall way below ADP.
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:26 PM   #3582
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I plan to take a different ranking approach next season. I’ll definitely post it ITT. I’ll use some generic ranking system as my base, maybe ADP, but that’ll be tough to begin to layout in July. Anyways, I’m going to group players into 3 tiers based on where they rank. Draft, do not draft, and unsure. Although, I don’t plan to have many in unsure.

The variance is too great to try to rank players by numbers. Obviously 1 is way different than 20, but how much different is 3 than 7? Or 8 to 13? Or 17 and 25? Instead, I’ll just focus on guys I want based on offense, expected usage, change of scenery, etc.

Hint: I’m not taking one ****ing player on a bad offense, except maybe CMC.
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:43 PM   #3583
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I generally agree about QB. But Lamar is different. The only concern with Lamar is injury. And itís legit, but he doesnít have any extra injury risk than other football players. Especially an RB who gets hit more. Nor has he shown injury issues up to this point.

Iíd say heís 5-7 point average above QB2 and 9-11 point average above the average QB. Say QB 10-15. Thatís pretty big VORP. This year was not a fluke.

His only regression concern is injury.
I agree, and as a Ravens fan I'd love to own all the Lamar shares. But you also have to respect that he was such a fantasy impact because he was going in the 10th round or higher this year, or wherever it was. The CMC/Godwin/AJones AND Lamar teams legit existed out there.

A fantasy team that drafts Lamar at the turn next year is going to have to trot out a Hyde as their RB1 or a Hilton as their WR1. Changes the makeup of fantasy teams completely when they dump early picks into QB, no matter how godly they are. And I guess to my point earlier, I just want to be ahead of the curve. Last year was the year to own Mahomes, this year Lamar, next year....????
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:46 PM   #3584
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Hint: Iím not taking one ****ing player on a bad offense, except maybe CMC.
Also pretty key. Identify the really bad teams and avoid them.

The best offenses can feed a lot of mouths, even if just sporadically. Eg Marquise Brown.

I'll let other guys draft dudes like Chark, Parker, McLaurin, Keenan, and so on.
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:23 AM   #3585
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Also pretty key. Identify the really bad teams and avoid them.
Fitzmagic and Parker were money down the stretch. And the Dolphins were still an absolutely terrible team.
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:26 AM   #3586
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Fitzmagic and Parker were money down the stretch. And the Dolphins were still an absolutely terrible team.
For sure. Streaming is one thing though. Nobody was drafting these guys.
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:32 AM   #3587
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I drafted parker

won the ship by about 20. was slightly worried going in but the lol mike boone became obvious quick, opponent also had diggs and the minn kicker so quite a nice game
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Old 12-25-2019, 02:00 AM   #3588
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Fitzmagic and Parker were money down the stretch. And the Dolphins were still an absolutely terrible team.
The Dolphins have gone 4-4 in their last 8 games and have scored at least 20 points in all but one of them. They aren't really an example of fantasy relevant players on a bad offense as much as they are an example of why teams and players need to be constantly reassessed in the NFL.
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Old 12-25-2019, 02:25 AM   #3589
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The Dolphins have gone 4-4 in their last 8 games and have scored at least 20 points in all but one of them. They aren't really an example of fantasy relevant players on a bad offense as much as they are an example of why teams and players need to be constantly reassessed in the NFL.
I watched all 8 of them and I assure you that the Dolphins are a bad team and have a bad offense. A lot of the "success" was facing incredibly shitty defenses.

I think if you're going to use them as an example of anything, it would be of the importance of matchups.
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Old 12-25-2019, 02:33 AM   #3590
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Seriously, on a poker forum no less. I'm sure everybody saying how bad of a play Boone was in hindsight also thought Tim Hightower was a great play a few years back.
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It's definitely not everyone. I saw a lot of people down on Boone prior to the game (not sure about in this thread, I'm semi grunching and haven't checked). I specifically didn't take him because I was quite worried he'd be a dud. I could have got him on waivers, but I didn't because I was hoping opponent would pick him up and play him.

Opponent did pick him up but didn't play him. I won anyway, so it was moot.
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Boone play was fine, haters are overreacting. Nothing wrong with trotting him out there just like it was fine to start Lewis this week in a pinch. Vikings just manage to continually be a dumpster fire in primetime and lay an egg. If I had nabbed him in one of my two finals I likely would have started him over Hunt, White, or D Lewis. Instead my opponent did and I crushed him.
The only reason I was down on Boone was the questions surrounding Mattison and Cook for a Monday night game, too many unknowns IMO. Heading into Monday Night knowing both of them weren't playing, I woulda been super happy starting Boone.
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Old 12-25-2019, 02:33 AM   #3591
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The Dolphins are a prime example of how volume + matchup = results. They traded away their running back, had no ability to move the ball on the ground, had traded their WR2 earlier in the year, had some injuries to their new WR2/WR3 off and on, and had pristine matchups down the stretch with Cleveland/Philly/Jets/Giants/Bengals.

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Old 12-25-2019, 02:34 AM   #3592
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Yeah, boone was a totally fine play. Didn't work out. Happens.
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Old 12-25-2019, 09:05 AM   #3593
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The variance is too great to try to rank players by numbers. Obviously 1 is way different than 20, but how much different is 3 than 7? Or 8 to 13? Or 17 and 25? Instead, Iíll just focus on guys I want based on offense, expected usage, change of scenery, etc.
I get that the difference from player to player isn't linear. The difference from 1 to 5 and 21 to 25 is not equal. But at some point, you'll have to choose between guys, and the number will be the deciding factor. But you'll figure that out.

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Who are the bad offenses going to be next year? That's not as easy as it seems.

Who did we all think would be the bad offenses this year? Who did we think would be the good offenses this year?

We were probably right on some, but wrong on others. Anyone who drafted Rams are sad, while all those Fitzmagic/Parker owners are rubbing monies on their...
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Old 12-25-2019, 07:24 PM   #3594
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Weren't Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, Golloday and Parker all WR1's basically? I dunno how easily one can avoid players from "bad teams". After you get past the obvious 6 dudes at a position on good teams its a wasteland. Obviously in the first 3 rounds maybe you can apply this idea.


What round is Lamar going next year? 2nd?
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Old 12-25-2019, 07:39 PM   #3595
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Weren't Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, Golloday and Parker all WR1's basically? I dunno how easily one can avoid players from "bad teams". After you get past the obvious 6 dudes at a position on good teams its a wasteland. Obviously in the first 3 rounds maybe you can apply this idea.


What round is Lamar going next year? 2nd?
I see Lamar going mid-1st or higher in work leagues. Mahomes went 1.01 in mine.
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Old 12-25-2019, 07:59 PM   #3596
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Allen WR18
ARob WR11
Golladay WR3
Parker WR9

Standard scoring. I think we can agree Parker was an aberration this year, this is like a Brandon Lloyd type season. Maybe Golladay is just elite, he's improved every year and hit paydirt a ton this year.
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Old 12-25-2019, 08:00 PM   #3597
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Lamar SHOULD go I would say around the first turn, say 10-15 or so. He very likely will go earlier than that in home leagues though.
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Old 12-25-2019, 09:33 PM   #3598
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Allen WR18
ARob WR11
Golladay WR3
Parker WR9

Standard scoring. I think we can agree Parker was an aberration this year, this is like a Brandon Lloyd type season. Maybe Golladay is just elite, he's improved every year and hit paydirt a ton this year.
Parker’s biggest issue the last few years was gase. He was a top 15 pick who had shown flashes but gase left plus he got a qb who chucks it, a lack of a running game, and his other wrs got hurt.

Lloyd was forcefed 160 plus targets after 8 seasons with Denver. Parker is in his 5th But only received 120 targets. If someone like tua lands there and/if fitz stays temporarily While I don’t think Parker is a lock top 10 wr, he clearly has talent and upside. The team has committed to him long term as well if that means anything.

Top 10 wr scoring was way down this year—0.5 ppr, 250.6 in 2018 vs 215.5 in 2019 through 16. Only one player scored over 240 this year vs 7 last year.

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Old 12-25-2019, 10:38 PM   #3599
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Hope Parker enjoys the accolades and the money while he can. He'll be back to earth next season.
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Old 12-25-2019, 10:42 PM   #3600
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Weren't Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, Golloday and Parker all WR1's basically? I dunno how easily one can avoid players from "bad teams". After you get past the obvious 6 dudes at a position on good teams its a wasteland. Obviously in the first 3 rounds maybe you can apply this idea.


What round is Lamar going next year? 2nd?
I wouldnít consider Keenan and Golladay being on bad offenses.

Iím probably keeping Lamar was one of my two keepers in a 10 man ppr.
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